The regulations go further by targeting those who provide space for such activity.
Archived version: https://archive.is/newest/https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/vietnam-introduces-tougher-penalties-on-e-cigarette-and-heated-tobacco-use
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Jesus that’s messed up. Not only are vapes harmless as far as we know but outright bans and such harsh penalties for what should be none of the government’s business. Vietnam really fell down the paternalistic hole eh.
Edit: wow yall downvoters really agree with them? ban something like that? Sugar taxes too I bet? What next, red meat?
I don’t watch porn and I don’t like it, I don’t like gooners and I think overall it’s harmful to society for vague, vibes-based reasons not yet firmly established by any evidence whatsoever, just like you all with vaping, so what, I should want to ban that too?
No, that would be fucking crazy.
Unironically you all could use some nicotine to think a bit more clearly. This is authoritarian overreach pure and simple, whatever side of the political spectrum you’re on that made you think this is anything remotely ok, it’s the wrong one.
I don’t know about them being harmless, but they’re way less harmful than cigarettes.
It’s a perfect is the enemy of good kind of thing. Less people are smoking cigarettes, which is good. But they are using vapes so it isn’t perfect. So let’s make some laws to make things perfect!
Either the law isn’t followed and people still vape, or it is “successful” and people go back to smoking cigarettes. People are going to do things that are bad for them. Better to have them do the lesser of two evils.
I was with you until your brick-stupid take on porn.
That’s just an example.
I do find myself subconsciously judging pornography creators and consumers, but I would never express such a thing nor act upon it as if it’s the truth.
I’m not so stupid as to think that just because of a personal distaste in my subjective preference that it is somehow objectively bad or harmful, much less that any action should be taken based on something as vague as my own vibes. I’m not a bigot, and I try my best to not trust my “gut” and to think rationally instead.
That, to me, is simply being rational, something that is in short supply nowadays.
Isn’t that Kyle Rottenhouse? This reads like you’re on Rittenhouse’s side with an anti vaping on babies view.
So not only is your meme dumb and using a picture of a violent far right idiot as the supposed ‘correct’ side of this strawman, you are also a shitty parent for apparently not moving your own baby out of someone’s vape cloud and instead starting a fight with a loser blowing vape clouds on a baby.
It’s a meme ya dunce. I think it’s meant to be edgy. And I don’t think it’s glorifying vaping, it looks like typical /r/drugscieclejerk
Bro I’m not anti vape and I didn’t think the meme was glorifying vaping either.
I was calling the maker/user of the meme an idiot for all the shit you think you just explained to me. Like you literally just paraphrased my comment and called me the idiot for ‘not getting it’.
Oh well sorry then, I must’ve misunderstood
They’re much less harmful than cigarettes. But we don’t know long-term stuff, especially with all the different product blends that exist. But I agree, it should be legal to vape where it’s legal to smoke.
Just because we don’t know the long term stuff doesn’t mean there is harmful long term stuff.
Doesn’t mean there isn’t either.
That’s the thing about not knowing.
The evidence on the short and near term stuff does suggest it’s orders of msg tide safer than smoking though.
Which doesn’t mean harmless.
Harmless means absence of harm. That we don’t know of any harms does indeed not mean there aren’t any harms to be eventually known.
Therefore, as far as we know it is harmless. Hence why I said exactly that in my original comment.
That would be understandable to commenters ITT if they knew how to read instead of satisfying their dopamine systems with a reactionary outburst straight from the amygdala against a strawman they conjured up in their head, unwittingly making fools of themselves supporting such petty and pathetic authoritarian paternalism.
And additionally, in my personal opinion - it makes plain sense that the longer we study vapes, yet find no harms, the probability increases that they are indeed harmless.
Or at the very least I believe they are no more harmful than the harms caused by our existing standards for e.g. air pollution, in that hypothetical - vaping causes no excess deaths, but may do so if we had cleaner air and lower base rates of lung disease to begin with. Then we may notice increased rates of lung disease and find an associative link, therefore speculate that there is lung disease to which vaping may be some contributing factor and may always have been, but may simply be too minor to notice at present, for instance because people affected by it die of unrelated illness like cancer before they die of any vaping-caused illness or because the lung disease vaping contributes to is also caused by something else more directly that the general population is exposed to, e.g. microplastics or dust particulates from car tires/asphalt.
I’m not an expert nor do I think the above two paragraphs constitute a fact, and I’m more than happy to change my view given sufficient reason, however I also dont think things for no reason or purely because it serves me or brings me some sort of comfort of a lazy mind. Frankly I doubt I would stop using nicotine even if I knew vaping was directly harmful in some way any more than I would stop using alcohol already knowing that it is incredibly harmful (not that I drink alcohol, but that’s besides the point, I don’t do it because I don’t like it’s sedative effects, not because of it’s harms to long term health outcomes).
My reasoning for this is that even with the extremely primitive understanding of both the scientific method and the human body (not to mention technology for the analysis of it), cause and effect around tobacco-caused illnesses was known since the 1700s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco
You can check the sources yourself, but for example:
Overview of the history: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1440-1843.2003.00483.x
Here’s from the 1800s: http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/lincecum/pages/Nicotiana_tabacum-notes.html
Here’s a note of observations between the late 1800s to 1920s
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543
Yeah your statement doesn’t contradict mine, as far as we know they are harmless. But we also know really well too, these things have been studied up and down since the 90s and still nothing was really found.
The *blends" thing idk about, the only ingredients out there that go into vape juice are VG, PG, nicotine and flavouring, there aren’t any legal variations on that, this is usually pretty well regulated in the first world.
“As far as we know they are harmless”
Doctors in old timey days giving people cocaine for their babies toothache.
They didn’t exist in the 90s.
PG has been pumped through hospitals hvac since the 50s because of its antibacterial abilities. Basically they do it to help curb MSRA infections. We very well know what PG does to us, vaping isn’t much different.
Not since the 50s, in the 50s. And at a much lower concentration than what vaping is.
I’ve been vaping for about 15 years. Don’t get me wrong, vaping is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke or putting a wad of dip in your mouth. That doesn’t make it safe, and I’m unaware of any real studies on the long-term effects of vaping. I am aware of some very badly performed lab studies that were clearly designed to produce results showing how awful it is by operating vape devices in ways that no person ever would or even could. Yes, PG has a mild antiseptic effect. Yes, the flavorings used are “generally regarded as safe” (GRAS) … for eating.
What I know anecdotally from my own experience:
All that said, I’m still glad I switched from cigarettes.
Interesting, the study I read, which was like 10 years ago now, when I was vaping, showed that it was still a common thing in hospitals to help curb mrsa infections, and why the air in a hospital usually has a weird feel/taste to it.
That residue is basically from VG/PG buildup with whatever flavor you’re using. I’d be curious if it happened without any flavoring at all. I suspect it wouldn’t build up at all.
Not finding that study myself here, but I’m happy to stand corrected on that.
What I did find was this
Which might explain why everyone in my family (in the house and extended) has had COVID (often more than once) and I never have.
I’ll have to dig around for it. It was a legit paper posted from one of those vape forums back in the day when people where building their own vapes. I was really surprised about it.
But that covid/flu paper doesn’t surprise me. I’m betting minus the staining you’re talking about, you’re gums are probably in better shape than others who don’t vape as well. As I know it killed bacteria as well.
2003 for what we now know as vapes. Close enough tbqh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette