Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.
“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.
In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.
“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.
They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.
Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed and genocided for 77 years. Their occupiers are violent, racist monsters who control Western governments and brainwash people with their victimhood propaganda.
Frankly they can get fucked and go back to Europe where they’re from.
It’s funny because
Israel has been funding Hamas (Bibi himself has spoken multiple times about it) for many years, giving them the equipment to do October 7th.
Israel activated the hannibal directive according to their own (now former) defense minister on a live TV interview which means that on October 7th, many many many of the civilians and IDF soldiers that died were deliberately killed by the IDF themselves.
It takes 45 minutes to fly from end to end by helicopter. Many Israeli official has refused to deny that there was a stand down order, but the army was not deployed at all until hours and hour and hours later, when they could have driven with tanks there and back again multiple times, with an army of 165,000 in a country the size of new jersey, outnumbering them 28:1 with 100x the equipment on home turf (by Israels massively inflated numbers too)
Some of the Israeli hostages were not tortured in prison with Hama’s by their own tongues, but were then raped when she got back to Israel. Meanwhile Palestinian hostages are tortured daily for decades, eyes gouged out, as well as gang raped and raped by trained rottweilers by Israeli forces, and civilian Israeli doctors don’t report on it, but instead enable it.
As far as anyone should be concerned. Israel funded, executed their own attack of their own civilians, and enabled it by standing down as well as treated their own civilian hostages they took (and continue taking) 10x worse.
My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.
You don’t need conspiracy theories when the facts are out there. Israel helped Hamas get funding in order to destabilise the government of the time. There is evidence that Israel knew there would be an attack and did nothing to prevent it. There was no need for a false flag attack by Israel because they had Hamas to do it for them. Hamas and Israel need each other to keep the perpetual war going. They are both appalling bastards who are happy to let their own innocent citizens die in order to keep their insane hatred fed.
Israel does not need Hamas, they‘ve been genociding Palestinians for a century.
Israel is a violent settler colonial project for a jewish supremacy ideology.
Hamas is a propped up excuse for Israel to continue this shit.
You are low key both-siding a genocide.
E: But since you‘ve been doing it all through this thread, you still need to be called out. So, where are you idiologically? You sure argue like a liberal Zionist, or are you just so sure of yourself, despite actually just repeating colonial talking points?
This.
Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.
That’s just whataboutism, though
Yes and no. If it is framed as “Israel did it as well”, then yes it’s a whataboutism. But if it is framed in history, where Israel is the occupiers with overwhelming resources and has turned Gaza into an open air prison, then no, it’s not a whataboutism but illustrating a larger pattern of violence.
Violence begets violence. If someone shot at me I’d shoot back, wouldn’t you?
It doesn’t work as well at a national scale. If you shoot my sister, that doesn’t mean I should shoot your sister.
Should or shouldn’t is not the question. When someone shoot your sister and the whole world know that the murderer killed your sister scientifically you would seek vengeance.
So then Israel killing 30k civilians for revenge is what exactly aside from a war crime?
It also is. It’s possible for two groups at war with each other to both commit war crimes against each other.
You’re aware the official policy of Israel is they take a man we take a family correct?
That doesn’t contradict what I said.
No that happened before Oct 7th and is in large part the cause of Oct 7th.
A justification cannot be won from a fault. If I steal your wallet then I cannot claim self defense when you take it back with force.
Poor IDF soldiers on their IDF bases on Palestinian land.
Why do people find it so hard to realise thst both parties have done, are doing and will continue to do dispicable things?
The only reason why Israel’s body count is higher, is because it is more powerfull.
Hamas targets military bases. Israel targets schools.
Hamas also blindly shoots rockets at cities. Why is that so difficult to recognize? Its as obvious as Israeli using terror bombing.
Hamas shoots rockets at military targets only. Too bad Israel uses human shields and puts their military bases in cities.
On stolen land, that is.
The body count is higher because they started the war and made Gaza into an open air prison. Nakba is a thing.
Oh yes, those 9 month old soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_the_Bibas_family
Not kidnapped by Hamas but other groups in the chaos. And killed by Israel. Also why was there a baby on a military base?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Oz
Families often live near military bases so they can be together. You must know this. You see that’s the problem when you decide to defend the indefensible - you just end up looking stupid.
They shouldn’t live near military bases because they become in danger and it is any state responsibility to protects it’s people
the point is, that these are military outposts of a settler colonial landgrab. they are purposely mixing armed cilivian (settler) infrastructure with military (colonial) intend. they have no right, under international law, to be there at all. they are settlers, not civilians.
Very few children were killed during Al Aqsa Flood so Hamas did a good job avoiding casualties then.
Oh its bad to resist colonial occupation sorry I forget my high horse back home.
Then kill their fucking soldiers, their politicians, their hypercapitalists, profiteering. Killing, torturing, maiming, raping and kidnapping civilians is not resistance. Fuck those fuckers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-nasser-hospital-strike-journalists-killed-officials-say/
How do you say SHUT THE FUCK UP and…please cite more sources for your bullshit at the same time? I’m conversational in about 5 languages and still haven’t figured out Zionist apology
The article you posted isn’t related to what he said. Can you explain what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the conversation, not siding one way or another.
It’s probably not a real commenter.
You’ll find a trend on any controversial topic of posters who just post the first link they find and I think the assumption is that people won’t read it. They’re relying on people who agree in general to just go along with the upvote train, it usually works out for them.
This is wild. But I can see how that works. Thx for the info. Inwas wondering, what they were about with that link.
The article showcases the hypocrisy in demanding the oppressed people to behave more human than the barbaric oppressor is actually behaving towards them. Argueing that this user might not be a real account, just because you (or the other user, whatever) are unable to comprehend the critique is lazy and dishonest.
No. Who does the evil things, I talked about above, is an evil piece of shit and does not earn any support or approval. Doesn’t matter, what fucking reasons or ideology they have. To act like this never has lead to anything and it was never a strategy to win anything. Those deeds are just pure hate and are absolutely condemnable.
“Resisting” by kidnapping and killing civilians. I mean it worked out great didn’t it? It certainly got the occupying forces out of their country, didn’t it? Great plan. Fucking geniuses.
Technically yes the kidnapping can be an act of resistance an immoral and illegal one but yes still an act of resistance because the hostages taking was taken in order for Israel to also release kidnapped Palestinians. The killing of civilians is not resistance but people filled with hate for 57 years of occupation is in a mental state where they will comit act of gruesome retaliation and is definitely condemnable.
There was also military targets during 7 of october
Good thing we have internet chauvinists like you, that tell Palestinians how to resist genocidal settler colonialism the right way and waste everyone’s time by muting the actual atrocities being commited every fucking day by Israel. Fucking genius.
Oh do get fucked. The moment the Oct 7th attacks happened, everyone knew that the ordinary Palestinians were going to be slaughtered as revenge. Suggesting it was an act of resistance is pure idiocy. It was pure baiting by one bunch of cunts against another bunch of cunts.
We expected israel comiting more terrorism in response but never the destruction of almost all of Gaza. And whatever it was expected of not if fully irelevant a gdnocide is never justifiable
Sure bro, both sides are equally bad. If Israel would not genocide the Palestinians, imagine what Hamas would do to all the poor settlers and occupiers. If “the moment the Oct 7th attacks happened, everyone knew that the ordinary Palestinians were going to be slaughtered as revenge”, the Palestinians maybe just shouldn’t have resisted in the first place. Surely the accountability should not be on the oppressor, but the oppressed. Delete your genocide excusing, occupation supporting hasbara account, please.
Being oppressed does not give you carte blanche to do whatever atrocities you want. If you disagree with this then you are as bad as the oppressors. Bye.
Good thing then, I never agreed with that kind of strawman. Have a nice day.