I love these three socialist lemmies. So I’m posting this here. Not sure how well or how mixed a reception this will get here. Not sure if the right place to post it. Plausibly shall step on some toes (with the bottommost instance of “not my left”) a bit. And I imagine there may be some responses nitpicking that 3 of the "not my left"s are more left than “my left” ~ to which I say, misses the point. Anyhoo… enjoy, or don’t. I strive to protect your freedom to receive things however you wish. Love that bitch called interpretation. ;D But I do hope it sparks some interesting thought, discussion, and maybe even is a useful tool. At the very least, it’ll help (a bit) to explain what I mean when I keep saying “not my left”, to those who misrepresent the authoritarian left as “the left”, or even really really misrepresent by calling the nowadays so-called “liberal” (left side of authoritarian right) as “the left”.
“Not my left” is some strong anti-solidarity phrasing for someone who thinks of themselves as left on this silly misrepresentational chart. What was the point that I’m missing? That you’ll abandon the left when you don’t like it?
Left is for liberation. If you aren’t for liberation we don’t have much to talk about.
But sure, some forms of solidarity with rightists can be valid.
Liberation from what exactly? I am all for liberation, but it’s not liberation if not everyone can have it.
Oppressive political and economic structures. Not sure why you think I’m saying not everyone should get this, although realistically liberation is unlikely to arrive everywhere simultaneously.
+1 egalitarian liberation.
Free and free alike, beats free to unfree.
(I usually say that with regards to the bifurcation of Free Software licenses/philosophies, preferring copyleft [free and free alike] over permissive [free to unfree]… but it works here too [where the “alike” is more related to the egalitarianism, than the ongoing freedom assurance]. Heh.)
The issue is that you cannot enforce this equity when unequality arrises
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
Good reply.
Though…
Maybe all the more reason to talk, if the would-be conversational partner is not for liberation.
Seems all the more important to expose those minds to educations, pedagogy, of philosophies of egalitarian liberation.
Otherwise, leaves them festering more malignant in their unchallenged echo-chamber bias of anti-liberation philosophy.
Just before clicking reply, Daryl Davis sprang to mind. The black guy who speaks with KKK and Nazi Party members, and over 200 have left those organisations, and had a change of mind (and heart), thanks to being exposed to experience and information contrary to their ignorance and hateful authoritarian indoctrination.
Stuff like that great exemplar. :)
LOL.
Way to use “the left”.
Also… where do you get the notion I’ll abandon “the left” from this? See where my left is? What makes you think I’ll abandon anything?
3 replies so far, and such fascinating interpretations of this, showing how limited my imagination of other people’s interpretations may be.
Our other previous interactions, plus othering the other forms of leftism that are different than yours. “Not MY left,” instead of just leaving it blank comes off alarmingly as “I don’t do solidarity with leftists I don’t agree with,” which you then doubled down on by saying just that below.
What other previous interactions? Just here? (Can’t be, since I’ve been offering refutations to that). Elsewhere? Where?
“Othering”… o_O
Well, that’s not really the point of it, and also, again, I’m not forsaking the people, merely stating preference [Edit: of political philosophy]. I’m not really the one doing the othering, either. There are other philosophies. But I’m not doing any put-downs of them, so they can be mistreated. Let alone the people who hold dear to those other philosophies.
Fascinating interpretation.
Please use quotes to clarify where you think I doubled down on this. It’s an interpretation so contrary to my meaning, in both the original piece (and its blurb and alt-text) and my contributions to the conversations about it here throughout, that it’s beyond my reach to understand where you mean.
Still seems more like what you have in your philosophy, than what’s in mine. See again, the invite to consider and introspect on if that’s projecting. Hard to see, our shadows are.
[Edit [Edit, suppose I’ll make this its own reply]: Oh, and… anti-solidarity? I’m all for helping everybody. I’m not falling for that psyop that I must be in solidarity with other philosophies. I was already never much a fan of the word “solidarity” (especially because of its etymology, and ease of misinterpretation by the uninitiated, itself creating a sort of in-group and out-group divide [Orwellian much?], not readily understood on first hearing as best intended, more suggestive of static crippling suffocating immobility, and thus easily usurped in service of forked tongues insidiously dividing and conquering). And then to see how you’ve just used it, further corroborates my point about it, and expands my dislike, seeing it used so.]
and there we have it. The greatest threat to all leftist thought is capitalism, and to be willing to stand against it in solidarity is what is needed before we devolve into attacking other leftists. Funny also that you’re willing to question anyones leftiness if you don’t agree to their flavor.
Fun cherry picking portions to pervert and misrepresent the original meaning by stripping the rest of it, losing more than context, and inverting the meaning, doubling down on fallacy. Fun misrepresentation putting words in my mouth and asserting what my will is, that’s completely unfounded and untrue. Way to miss the point. Way to go off half-cocked and pointing fingers, projecting, oblivious to the three fingers pointing back, doing the very thing in the accusation. I merely said “not my left”. I didn’t do and would not do what you you insist I’m doing, like you’re doing. Are we not allowed to have a particular perspective? Seems implausible. Like we’re to have it all be our left… from kropotkin to stalin to half the purple party to hitler to marx, all the same? No. That’s still not my left. Any of that not being my left does not mean I’m questioning anyone’s leftness for not agreeing with my leftness. Especially where my leftness is. How would that be a tenable internally consistent logic to have such an authoritarian imposition from such a libertarian left position? See?
Also, methinks you may have typo’d a bit… hard to parse:
Damn I’m amazed I missed you listing Hitler as a leftist. Good luck with that.
B i t t e w a s ?!Or half the purple party?
Still missing the point about “not my left & not even left”?
Did you miss me saying “No.” after that too? Like, the point being made there, is that’s not my list. Never encountered those who believe the Nazi party propaganda mislabel and really believe it’s “socialist”? Lucky you.
{the replies that make me laugh just keep coming. XD}