• earthworm@sh.itjust.works
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        from the old days

        That’s the point. Those were the old days.

        What Jake Paul does is he just challenges old retired fighters who are like either not trained in boxing or have been not boxing for years.

        At, 58 Tyson was a whisper of the fighter he used to be. He now uses is a walking stick. He now spends more time podcasting than he does fighting. A Mike Tyson who had to cancel the initial bout due to a stomach ulcer. And this is the man who was sold to the public as a legitimate challenger to Paul. After a spirited first round, every second of Tyson’s 40 years of damage can be seen etched into his movements; exhausted, he chases Paul around the ring. In the sixth round, he throws just seven punches, the fight ending in a unanimous landslide decision for Paul. The same accusations of a fixed fight flood the internet with people (whom I’m guessing have no experience boxing) interpreting moments like Mike Tyson not falling for obvious bait as proof of collusion. And then there’s the script. But the only thing the script actually got right was the first round, which was just how Tyson always fights versus how Paul always fights. And it actually got the ending wrong - calling a Paul KO victory in round five but I guess people didn’t read that far. The complaints of a fixed fight are so intense that an official statement is released declaring the fight not scripted, and in doing so perfectly priming the Jake Paul cycle to start all over again. But the thing is, if you know how the Jake Paul Cycle works this fight was easy to predict, as it’s the same manipulation of public perception we’ve been talking about this entire video. And I can say that because I did predict it months before it happened on stream. What Jake Paul does is he just challenges old retired fighters who are like either not trained in boxing or have been not boxing four years.

        People want to believe the fight was fixed because they don't like Jake Paul (valid) and because they don't want to admit that time comes for everyone (even legends like Tyson).

        I think there’s two reasons people so badly want to believe that this fight was fixed and the first is simple: people don’t like Jake Paul. But the second is more complicated as I mentioned one of the things I really struggle to understand and make this video is how so many people judge the fight as hard to predict when, to me, there was only ever going to be one outcome. And I don’t know that much about boxing and I think a part of that was Tyson’s aura and the impact he’d had on the sport but I think there’s also a deeper reason. Watching a decrepit aged Mike Tyson lose a boxing match to a social media influencer is about as devastating a statement you can make on the effect age has on our mortal frames. The most brutal reinforcement possible that the ultimate unbeatable and undisputed opponent we must all face one day is time. And that’s not just hard to accept it’s devastating and a big reason why I think so many people would rather engage in conspiracy. But sometimes there is no conspiracy. Sometimes things are just the way they are and it sucks.

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          2 days ago

          You can see tyson pull his shot. Just look at the difference between a full hit and paul’s match. It’s easy to see that this wasn’t age. It probably took more energy to pull the shot. Last comment.

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            It’s entirely possible that the fight was fixed, but Paul’s scheduled bouts do follow very predictable patterns, his opponents are always not boxers or haven’t been fighting professionally for years.

            I watched the Tyson/Paul match (on a pirate stream, because fucking giving money to the broadcasting networks for perpetuating this mockery of the sport) and my impression was that Tyson just got gassed in the second round and couldn’t recover. He was in his late fifties, had not been actively training for serious fights, and had health problems leading up to the match itself. Meanwhile, Paul is in the prime of his youth and is wealthy enough to afford the best personal trainers and boxing coaches. He might not have much talent, but that barrier can be overcome with extreme amounts of effort and training.

            It’s hard to see your heroes fall to villains worthy of such scorn, I’ll admit that much.

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            Great, this will be my last comment, too.

            Many of these fixed fight accusations come from people with little to no experience boxing, but who will claim with so much unearned confidence how “obvious” it is.

            It is possible that Tyson threw the match. I’ll give that oxygen to people with the experience to know what they’re talking about.

            More importantly, these accusations fall into an even bigger trap: giving Jake Paul attention.

            Jake Paul built up a string of wins against fighters who weren’t boxers, boxers with inflated win/loss records, and boxers who have been retired for years.

            Every claim that a fighter is “obviously” throwing against him fed the metrics. It creates hate watchers who want to see him get beat in the next fight. It tells the networks, this makes money.

            If we had collectively recognized the trap, stopped shouting “rigged!” and signaling how much we wanted a next match, a “real” match, Jake Paul wouldn’t have been able to ride the hate-hype train to a $100M+ payout for a broken jaw.

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              2 days ago

              I dunno’ about everyone else, but calling him out on his BS has never once even remotely tempted me to watch his next match.

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                Me, neither. But calling him out is still “engagement” in the platform’s eyes.

                They don’t care whether it was positive or negative, as long as they can sell it to advertisers, shareholders, and data brokers.