Okay, so why are attacks targeting Jewish people the wrong time to discuss how dangerous the Israeli states actions are to the global Jewish diaspora?
The Islamic world has not grown anti-jewish over the last century in a vacuum, just like they didn’t grow anti-American in a vacuum. The exact same binary “you’re either with us or against us” rhetoric has been displayed after every terrorist attack since 9/11. It’s never the right time to discuss how our own past and present crimes recruit current and future enemies. They just hate us for our freedoms — who we are and our way of life — and that’s the only narrative our ministries of truth deploy.
That’s precisely the point of my comment though: there are tons of other posts one can condemn Israel’s genocide that don’t come off as opportunistic. The other side engages in this behavior: Netanyahu made a ridiculous statement that blamed Australia’s recognition of Palestine - https://www.commondreams.org/news/australia-palestian-state
Honestly though, this isn’t a hill worth dying on. Especially when we are on the same side, so this is just pointless infighting. You win, I forfeit. Have a good day.
When there is mass shooting in schools we discuss the root of the issue. When there is increase of violence we talk about how poverty etc. contribute to it . Only when there is a major massacre related to the colonization of Palestine that people feel like it’s not the time to discuss the root of the issue
We can discuss the root cause of Israel causing targets to be set on innocent Jews (even if these actions that took place on Bondi Beach can never ever be justified).
But what I’m frankly seeing and it really disturbs me, is that pro-Palestinians here and on Reddit shifts the blame on Isreal in a different way. They call it psy-ops or false flag operation by Jews/Israel with no evidence whatsoever. I even got banned from their subreddit when I tried to push back against that narrative. That is honestly antisemitism in its purest form and not the type of discussion that should be had
Israel is like the boy who cried wolf. Israel ia lying all the time and did real false flags before like the king david hotel where they was disguised as arab workers and the lavon affair admited by israel former leaders. I don’t believe this attack is a false flag but israel is creating with it behaviour many conspiracy theories.
I also heard more disgusting things from the zionist side like justifying kids murder and palestinian being arab colonizer which justify the ethenic cleansing
A school shooting can also definitely be used for victim blaming. Nobody who victim blaming would preface his comment by expressing sympathy for the families of the victims
My sympathy to families of all the innocent people who got murdered. Ending Israeli occupation is the only way to prevent those type of incident
shut the fuck up with that bullshit.
Fuck you
When is the right time to acknowledge that injustice radicalises people? Once everyone is blind?
How long do we have to act as though Israel’s genocide is not directly causing a sharp increase in “antisemitism” globally?
You’ve been on Lemmy long enough that you should know that this is one of the most discussed topics here. Probably top 3.
Okay, so why are attacks targeting Jewish people the wrong time to discuss how dangerous the Israeli states actions are to the global Jewish diaspora?
The Islamic world has not grown anti-jewish over the last century in a vacuum, just like they didn’t grow anti-American in a vacuum. The exact same binary “you’re either with us or against us” rhetoric has been displayed after every terrorist attack since 9/11. It’s never the right time to discuss how our own past and present crimes recruit current and future enemies. They just hate us for our freedoms — who we are and our way of life — and that’s the only narrative our ministries of truth deploy.
That’s precisely the point of my comment though: there are tons of other posts one can condemn Israel’s genocide that don’t come off as opportunistic. The other side engages in this behavior: Netanyahu made a ridiculous statement that blamed Australia’s recognition of Palestine - https://www.commondreams.org/news/australia-palestian-state
Honestly though, this isn’t a hill worth dying on. Especially when we are on the same side, so this is just pointless infighting. You win, I forfeit. Have a good day.
Read the room. This ain’t it.
So you don’t want to root of the problem to be fixed?
Of course I do, and I’ve been rather vocal about it over the last 2 years.
When there is mass shooting in schools we discuss the root of the issue. When there is increase of violence we talk about how poverty etc. contribute to it . Only when there is a major massacre related to the colonization of Palestine that people feel like it’s not the time to discuss the root of the issue
We can discuss the root cause of Israel causing targets to be set on innocent Jews (even if these actions that took place on Bondi Beach can never ever be justified).
But what I’m frankly seeing and it really disturbs me, is that pro-Palestinians here and on Reddit shifts the blame on Isreal in a different way. They call it psy-ops or false flag operation by Jews/Israel with no evidence whatsoever. I even got banned from their subreddit when I tried to push back against that narrative. That is honestly antisemitism in its purest form and not the type of discussion that should be had
Israel is like the boy who cried wolf. Israel ia lying all the time and did real false flags before like the king david hotel where they was disguised as arab workers and the lavon affair admited by israel former leaders. I don’t believe this attack is a false flag but israel is creating with it behaviour many conspiracy theories.
I also heard more disgusting things from the zionist side like justifying kids murder and palestinian being arab colonizer which justify the ethenic cleansing
It could be interpreted as victim blaming in a way that talking about gun control following a school shooting cannot be.
The other side openly engages in that sort of mentality, and I aggressively condemn it.
A school shooting can also definitely be used for victim blaming. Nobody who victim blaming would preface his comment by expressing sympathy for the families of the victims