• theneverfox@pawb.social
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    6 days ago

    Jesus Christ… You’re a piece of work. I didn’t feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves

    You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.

    I’ve said multiple times. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. I’ve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 years…I know plenty about your culture. But I’ve never experienced it

    And it’s equally arrogant to think you understand my country.

    But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… I’ve given them rides. I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. That’s exactly what I want for my country. That’s what I’m pointing at.

    And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesn’t translate well… It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute

    As for details… What’s your obsession with skipping grades? That’s not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs… Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.

    You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.

    The smartest thing you’ve said is that you’d never come here. Because with your history with weed, you’d be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think that’s horrible.

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      6 days ago

      But I do know your laws and outcome statistics

      No, you don’t, and unlike me, you’re unwilling to learn. I’ve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I can’t possibly understand. You can’t reason that in any way, yet you assert it.

      I’ve told you how those systems and laws you admire don’t work here. I’ve told you the extent to which I’ve chased these things and I’m telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with “whole grades acceleration”, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.

      One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.

      Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?

      I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion

      There isn’t one. You’re making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because they’re homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people don’t frown the homeless or substance abusers. It’s fantasy.

      Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs

      Again, you simply display your ignorance.

      If you’re in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, “not my problem” they’ll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. It’s called “the bystander effect”. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply aren’t willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you can’t understand it.

      And because at the same time I assert that it doesn’t work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.

      Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldn’t even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldn’t pass.

      And of course you know more words in English

      Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesn’t have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, you’ll just stop caring about that and won’t be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.

      Here, conjugating “a dog”

      But you simply can’t accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely

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        6 days ago

        God, you’re a fucking retard. I’ve had deeper conversations with people with extra chromosomes.

        And I’m not being sarcastic, I genuinely have. They’re delightful people who only engage in good faith. They’re joyful, I still don’t understand what you stand for

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          See, just like I said; your replies are devolving and you’ll give in before admitting to having made a single wrong assumption. Yet you insist it is I who “just doesn’t understand.” Before long you’ll be replying with “you think I’m gonna read all that” or “lol, k” or something to that extent, because you simply can’t acknowledge having been wrong.

          This is just about your ego. If you had a healthy one, you could actually admit that yeah, I do understand American culture and society and that you were wrong to assume that my notions of the US are somehow fantasies, and that I wouldn’t pass the citizenship test. I clearly would.

          You just can’t accept there’s an asynchronicity between America and Finland that means that I understand you more than you do Finland.

          The word you’re looking for is “annoying”, by the way. Not “fucking retarded”. I know that I’ve “won” whenever the replies begin starting like that. You’re getting super emotional, and that means I’ve done what I set out to do. Which isn’t to “win” a conversation, as I don’t see it as a competition, but as you do, you have to “get the last word” so you can’t just stop replying. But you can’t address any of the things said either, because I proved you wrong in them. You just keep avoiding more and more and more and saying less and less and less. I’ve seen this a thousand times. Literally. No exaggeration.

          I engage in good faith. You do not.

          That’s why I can point to any part of the conversation, while you have to desperately avoid that I do in fact understand American society and culture. That’s why you won’t answer where you were on 9/11. That’s why you won’t answer my rhetorical point about a person “not being able to understand America if they can’t remember where they were on 9/11” and that’s why you probably got so mad about it, because I’m guessing you either had a tit in your mouth or didn’t even exist. That’s why you have to keep avoiding the simple fact that there’s an asynchronicity between how much people understand the US and how much they understand Finland. And that your notions of Finland are indeed from articles reading “Finland is the happiest country in the world” over and over and over again. That’s why you have to avoid continuing to pretend like you understand our laws and programs, when you continue to prove you do not. We don’t drive around homeless people in taxis because they’re homeless people. Yet you think we do. You think Finland is some holy paradise in which the lowest of the low in society get treated with nothing but kindness and respect and that everyone helps them and values them as members of society… and then you have the gall to call me delusional. :DD

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            6 days ago

            Jesus Christ, you’re actually 14…

            Have you made a point in all of this? You’ve passionately expressed your feelings plenty

            Me: I want to adopt aspects of the Nordic model

            You: BUH BUH BUH I experienced police brutality and I’m from there!

            Me: Yes, yes, police brutality is bad. But anyways…

            You: You only speak English and I could pass your citizenship test!

            Me: What?

            You: Yes, I’ve watched all the movies! I know America! I am wolverine!

            Me: (patiently) you know movies and reality are different, right?

            You: I KNOW AMERICA! BETTER THAN YOU EVEN!

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              See, just like I said. You’re getting increasingly frustrated.

              you’re actually 14…

              I was around 14 when the planes hit the twin towers. Where were you? CAN’T REMEMBER?

              Either you don’t speak English, or you’re refusing to answer me. Because you’re mad about me being right and you being wrong.

              YOU have misunderstood, and then pretend not to. When I make mistakes, I stand behind them. You don’t, because you don’t engage in good faith.

              Now you’re making strawmen out of your own arguments? Fucking hilarious. Should we go over all your fantasies about the Nordics again, about how you imagine homeless people get fucking FREE TAXI RIDES? :DDD And you call me delusional for saying I have the knowledge to pass your citizenship test because I understand American society and culture.

              Yet you childishly insist and stomp your foot “wyaaa wyaaa wyaaa YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND”

              I don’t “understand”… what, exactly?

              “I’m not gonna answer anything admitting I’m fallible, I’m gonna start autistically screeching things I would be offended by. You’re a retard! You’re 14!”

              I would genuinely give an arm and a leg to be 14 again. You wouldn’t, because you’re proving with everything that you’re in your twenties, and you’re still in the phase where you think age matters. Or offends, for that matter.

              You can’t reply to where you were at 9-11. Perhaps you don’t know what it’s about, seeing as you can’t remember it? Ask any true American, they’d point out how unAmerican you’re being. Hell, you probably wouldn’t pass the citizenship test, given that you seem to not know what 9/11 is and that is a question on it. I know because I did it on an official practice test, you remember? When you were screaming “fucking retard you’re delusional to think you’d pass the citizenship test.”

              Just suck it up; I understand American culture and society, despite you screeching for days about how I can’t possibly.

              You’re out of arguments and getting mad at the man online telling you’re kinda emotional, aren’t you? ;>

              Why are you talking about movies and TV? First off, I bet my left testicle you’ve NEVER even seen a single Finnish movie or show. Nor have you ever opened a Finnish government website, nor would you even recognise one because you don’t know what the equivalent to “.org” is.

              Yet you did assert that you understand Finnish laws and rules. When you don’t know literally a single word and can’t have read them. (Translating them is not reading them as they’re put and you don’t speak Finnish or Swedish)

              But will you accept you’re the one who understands less about the other’s society? Ofc you won’t you’re an egotistic kid. Like I’ve said, I’ve seen this a thousand times. I’ve literally told people hundreds of times how this goes and they still always follow it to the letter, and so will you.

              Oh so me having American relatives, acing the citizenship test, having better English skills than native speakers and just having been reading about US politics since before you were born means that I think movies are real? And you’re not at all in the wrong or desperately making strawmen?

              That’s what you call “engaging in good faith”? You know if you actually studied philosophy and rhetoric at all you might know more about it than just the names of the fallacies. You might actually understand what they mean.

              Although I doubt it. You’re literally brain-damaged

              https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/lead-exposure-last-century-shrunk-iq-scores-half-americans

              You won’t answer any of the questions I’ve asked you but you’ll keep up this autistic tantrum and reply

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                5 days ago

                Yes, you’ve thoroughly worn out my desire to keep talking to you… That meme wasn’t an attempt at a burn, it’s a genuine expression of what this whole conversation has felt like from my side. I’m pretty happy with how it came out, it was snappy and I thought it really captured the emotion

                I feel like I’d be punching down if I tone matched with you, so I’m just going to leave it here. I hope your life gets better

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                  Yeah, you keep saying things like “genuine” and “in good faith” and “you’re delusional”, but we both know you’re saying those because you want to pretend you believe them. Not because either of us actually believes you do.

                  You can’t address the things you’ve said, because that would completely crash that delusion. That’s why you can’t address how fucking dumb it was of you to claim “you’re delusional to think you could pass the citizenship test”. That’s why you can’t address the fact I have American relatives. I’ve not physically been, that much is true. Again, most of your time is spent watching a screen. Do you think the things you get on that screen are exclusive to the US? I have plenty of American friends. A couple of relatives only, 50-60 year old aunties from my mom’s side. And their father, who was pretty much like 100 the last time I saw him so RIP prolly, but he actually spoke Finnish, albeit with an weirdly old accent, as his parents had emigrated from Finland.

                  But will you address the fact that I simply understand the US faaaaaaaaaaar better than you understand Finland? No, you fucking won’t. You say things like; “But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…”

                  You literally think we drive around homeless people for free? And you call me delusional? Oh wait, why does it feel like I’m repeating myself? Oh wait, right, because I am, because you’re a coward who keeps avoiding his own words, because you can’t stand by any of them, because you write your comments while having intense emotions, and you complete lack any sort of ability to edit your words and then you end up regretting them, but you can’t possibly admit to that, so you completely avoid everything you’ve said.

                  Yeah uhm, you’re literally talking to yourself. You don’t believe the things you’re saying. If you did, you could actually address what you yourself have said. “But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…”

                  You’ve at most read a couple of articles about Finland. Yet you pretend like I understand America because I’ve seen some movies? No man, I live and breathe your disgusting culture, unfortunately. I can’t help but to be part of English society, and I can somewhat choose to prefer UK shows and movies, but I can’t change the fact that Trump is a disgusting piece of shit who’s constantly spewing out even dumber shit than you. And that’s your literal leader. You understand how dumb the world considers Trump, but also you know how delusional he is? You’re the exact same, my man.

                  That’s why you can’t answer why you say things like "But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… " when you clearly don’t, as the things you say are completely bonkers. :DD And you won’t be able to address your mistakes.

                  Yeah, you’re starting to get to the “you think I’m reading all that” phase I told you about days ago. Then you’ll devolve into “lol, k” or some such bullshit, and still you won’t accept that you’re here only because your ego is hurt and that you’re not engaging in good faith.

                  I am. :)

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                    5 days ago

                    Because your gishgalloping everywhere. I was willing to play along with you for a while and see if there was some common thread, but I still have no idea what you’re on about and you’re being increasingly insulting

                    And I don’t even know they’re you’re going with this. Of course your know more about America than I know about Finland. We’re America. No one can ignore the collapsing global empire

                    I’m pretty sure I straight up said as much a half dozen times…

                    What I can’t get over is how confidently wrong you are about America. You’re the one who has learned of my country through media and thinks themselves some kind of expert, at least I learned about the Nordic countries in university through the lens of sociology. It’s a soft science, but it’s science

                    And if I can’t shake you on that point, what is there to talk about? I can’t find any common ground between us.

                    So yeah. This isn’t a constructive or interesting conversation, so why bother?