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    Sure. But the way you counteract oh-so-scary foreign influence is by having institutions and leaders behave in a way that builds public trust.

    Just pointing at some nation on the other side of the planet and saying, “They’re trying to trick you!” does jack shit. It’s misplaced priorities at best and rabid jingoism at worst.

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        Is this comment an example of misplaced priorities or rabid jingoism?

        Vote now on your phones!

        I never said “making things up”, that’s all you baby

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          "Wikipedia is evil for saying bad things about Ruzzia!!! "

          Yeah about the level of rhetoric I expected from you

          This is why you never win any of the wars you start. Oh, sorry, “special military operation”.

          Operation MEATGRINDER ruahahahahah

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              Because you’re pathetically avoiding discussing Russian disinfo, and instead just pretend any implication that any exist is “rampant jingoism” or some other ridiculous bullshit.

              Honestly if you were a bit smarter maybe one Finn (or modernly Ukrainian actually) wouldn’t be equivalent to 10 Russians. As it stands, we and they very much are.

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                  10 years of Russian disinformation is a grain of sand

                  That’s a very unrealistic portrayal.

                  Like saying “I don’t think one white lie make a politician a liar” about Trump who’s verifiably spitting out like half lies.

                  Let’s see some of the shit Russia has pulled in the Russo-Ukrainian war alone in the past few years;

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)

                  During the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) starting with the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian military and authorities have committed war crimes, such as deliberate attacks against civilian targets, including on hospitals, medical facilities and on the energy grid;[1][2][3] indiscriminate attacks on densely populated areas; the abduction, torture and murder of civilians; forced deportations; sexual violence; destruction of cultural heritage; and the killing and torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war.[4][5][6][7]

                  That’s the starting chapter.

                  “Rabid jingoism.”

                  Jingoism is extreme, aggressive nationalism and patriotism that promotes a country’s interests through threats or force, viewing its nation as superior and demanding aggressive foreign policies over diplomacy,

                  You simply can’t help but to project your emotions. You’re kinda ashamed of what your being made to do. You really wish you could’ve been born in the West! (as you call it) sad horn sounds womp womp wooomp

                  Please learn to actually use English before attempting to use with your shitty propaganda. Where @[email protected]. Dude is a mod who went on a personal rage trip against me and is now afraid to post on anywhere he isn’t a mod for being afraid of me.

                  I kinda miss him. We was a gentleman at least. Despite one pretending to be American and thick as a boot. (as all you vinkkelitossus are, you just don’t have anyone to compare so you can’t see it yourself lol)

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      You’re grossly underplaying the influence foreign governments have had on each other within the past century. They’re going above and beyond “trying to trick you.”

      They’re heavily investing in popular talking heads to support a path of radicalization, buying ads that target voters on Facebook, forming special interest social media groups, manipulating social media with bot farms, heavily bribing politicians, blackmailing the powerful, recruiting millionaires, lobbying policy, running a counterintelligence campaign, running hacking operations, and more that we don’t even know. They’re weaponizing intelligence and trying to convert people’s opinions to their advantage so that their opponents crumble from within. And they’re damn good at it.

      Nobody’s “just pointing” at Russia or other countries. We have a recorded history of them doing it, and we can trace it back to them. They’re all doing it.

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        OK great. Amend your comment to mine. The last point still stands:

        You counteract forgiven influence by giving people a reason to trust their local institutions. By delivering positive material change to hundreds of millions. Without that, it is just pointing fingers and complaining.