• SupraMario@lemmy.world
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    The other is USSR

    Yea I forgot how the USSR going away meant that russia which ran the USSR didn’t side with the Nazis.

    How delusional do you have to be to believe that is beyond my comprehension. I guess this is the end result of the american education system.

    Considering your idea of “it wasn’t russia” is to ignore everything russia has done in the past. To you, russia has only existed since 1991 apparently.

    The US is directly responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths from famine, horrendous working conditions, or just outright war, all around the global south. Heck, it was founded upon genocide of immense proportions (96% of native population eradicated), which was so bad that nazis used it as a blueprint for the holocaust.

    The fuck are you on about, the US hasn’t been around long enough to pull hundreds of millions of deaths. On top of that you’re suggesting that it’s murdered over half the population of the global South…

    The native Americans bit was %100 fucked up, but let’s not forget Russia doing the same/worse…Circassian genocide go read up on it.

    Russian war crimes in Ukraine are horrible but are nothing compared to the hell on earth created by your fascist country in just the last two years. Compare the civilian death tool in Gaza vs Ukraine to see for yourself. In absolute terms, your country is the single most evil entity on this planet.

    Wait gaza is on us now? If that’s the case then…

    https://united24media.com/world/all-the-toppled-authoritarian-dictators-russia-gave-asylum-to-over-the-years-4335

    All of these dictators are on russia…assad is in the list

    This does not excuse putin and his cronies, I hope to see them all do hard labor in prison for the rest of their miserable existence, together with all american presidents and their accomplices.

    Sounds kinda like you are excusing them…this entire thread has been you excusing them with whataboutism of the USA…and getting your facts all kinds of messed up.

    Tankies gonna tank.

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      Yea I forgot how the USSR going away meant that russia which ran the USSR didn’t side with the Nazis.

      Both the west and USSR made deals with the nazis all the way until the war. Many US capitalists invested or outright donated to the reich.

      Once the war began, USSR was the principal country which defeated nazis, look at the numbers of nazi soldiers who fought and died on western vs. eastern front. The US meanwhile sheltered nazi war criminals after the war.

      The fuck are you on about, the US hasn’t been around long enough to pull hundreds of millions of deaths

      US has been around for almost 250 years, and involved in a genocidal imperialist war (or at least a fascist coup) of some kind for almost that entire time. The hundreds of millions of excess deaths figure is a lower bound.

      On top of that you’re suggesting that it’s murdered over half the population of the global South…

      Currently, Global South is ~6 billion people (depending on which countries you count in), what are you on about…

      Wait gaza is on us now?

      Yes, guess who’s providing all the cash, weapons, intelligence, diplomatic and military support to the genociders? US is directly responsible for the ongoing genocide, stop sending money&weapons and it ends in a week.

      To be honest, Ukraine war is like 30% on US too, they supported outright nazis during Maidan which led to some real discontent in the east, which was abused by Russia to start the war.

      All of these dictators are on russia…assad is in the list

      Still magnitudes less bad than US shit. Look at the list of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change, except for like 5 countries during WW2 it’s mostly fascist dictators being installed.

      Sounds kinda like you are excusing them

      Re-read all my messages. I am not excusing russia. I am just clarifying that the issues with the US are not due to Russia, they are due to the system of surplus value extraction and imperialism which has been around for its entire existence. Focusing on russia and russian influence will not help you at all, in much the same way as deporting immigrants won’t help the MAGAts.

      Current russian dictatorship is the shittiest since late-stage stalinism, but trump and republicans were not elected “on behalf of russia”, they were elected on behalf of your own billionaires trying to gain influence and extract more profit.

      this entire thread has been you excusing them with whataboutism of the USA

      This thread is about a meme blaming neocon fascism, the most american thing in existence, on russia.

      Your culture is so obsessed with the red scare bullshit that a twisted version of it now percolated into liberal or even progressive circles, which is really convenient for the ruling class. Open your eyes, know your main enemy.