I would argue against having military, but that’d be pointless. If we’re going to have it, it should be as representative of the population as possible. It might save the lives of underrepresented citizens when we’re invading.
So you actually believe a military should have quotas based on arbitrary characteristics such as race or gender, tied to the population it is meant to protect? That is, if the population is around 50% women, the military should attempt to have 50% women in all positions? And that any disparate outcome would be evidence of racism or sexism? Would that be your position taken to its extreme, while your actual position has the same essence but is much more sensible in degree? Or what do you think?
*edit: please don’t downvote mori on this, those are absolutely valid questions and a chance to clarify without angry rebuttal is always welcome
So you actually believe a military should have quotas based on arbitrary characteristics such as race or gender
Not arbitrary at all. I think the makeup should exactly mirror the population distribution as closely as it can. We invade places, it’s hoards of guys and it’s a lot of rape and pillage and less worry about illegal orders. I think a proper distribution would help that out a lot.
And that any disparate outcome would be evidence of racism or sexism
Nope, don’t give a shit about that at all. I just think they should try to have our military not being 99% white men covering each others asses doing shit they shouldn’t. DEI isn’t just about combating racism/sexism, it’s making sure that the staffing matches the population. A team with 20% minorities will be less likely to be overzealous on minorities. A team of 50% women will be less likely to rape or allow the rape of women in action zones.
Would that be your position taken to its extreme, while your actual position has the same essence but is much more sensible in degree? Or what do you think?
Not quite sure I grasp that series of questions. I don’t think they should force minorities/women into the military, but they should try hard to be representative and mix everyone together. Nothing beats sexist/racist views in individuals like working closely with people of other races/sexes. Hell it might even drive out people that should have power over other people.
It’s obviously not without issue. But we need more mixing of culture/race/sex on the daily basis or we’ll be in this while male superiority complex society forever.
Realistically, the American military is likely to be fairly diverse, just not especially gender-diverse. You do not need quotas to achieve a reasonable level of racial diversity, as many men are psychographically drawn to military service regardless. An Estonian military, by contrast, is unlikely to be diverse no matter how aggressively DEI policies are applied; attempting to force diversity would effectively result in a foreign legion.
Women tend to require incentives, often in the form of college funding, to develop an interest in joining the military. They also tend to be less effective in duties involving firefighting and direct combat and can be liabilities in those particular situations. However, they are no different intellectually and are fully capable of performing engineering, technical, and similar roles, & advances in technology may help bridge some of these physical gaps in the future.
Regarding your claim that “a team with 20 percent minorities will be less likely to be overzealous toward minorities,” the reality may be closer to the opposite. White personnel can experience anxiety about appearing prejudiced and may therefore become overly cautious or under-enforcing in certain situations. Some evidence of this can be seen in instances where white police officers avoid proactive enforcement out of fear of being accused of racism, homophobia, or similar biases. Black officers (for example), by contrast, often appear to have greater immunity from these particular concerns.
P.S. Ideally, the U.S. military and other militaries would not be searching for monsters to destroy abroad, such as inventing reasons to attack Venezuela, Iran, etc. possibly for the benefit of Israel, lol.
I would argue against having military, but that’d be pointless. If we’re going to have it, it should be as representative of the population as possible. It might save the lives of underrepresented citizens when we’re invading.
So you actually believe a military should have quotas based on arbitrary characteristics such as race or gender, tied to the population it is meant to protect? That is, if the population is around 50% women, the military should attempt to have 50% women in all positions? And that any disparate outcome would be evidence of racism or sexism? Would that be your position taken to its extreme, while your actual position has the same essence but is much more sensible in degree? Or what do you think?
*edit: please don’t downvote mori on this, those are absolutely valid questions and a chance to clarify without angry rebuttal is always welcome
Not arbitrary at all. I think the makeup should exactly mirror the population distribution as closely as it can. We invade places, it’s hoards of guys and it’s a lot of rape and pillage and less worry about illegal orders. I think a proper distribution would help that out a lot.
Nope, don’t give a shit about that at all. I just think they should try to have our military not being 99% white men covering each others asses doing shit they shouldn’t. DEI isn’t just about combating racism/sexism, it’s making sure that the staffing matches the population. A team with 20% minorities will be less likely to be overzealous on minorities. A team of 50% women will be less likely to rape or allow the rape of women in action zones.
Not quite sure I grasp that series of questions. I don’t think they should force minorities/women into the military, but they should try hard to be representative and mix everyone together. Nothing beats sexist/racist views in individuals like working closely with people of other races/sexes. Hell it might even drive out people that should have power over other people.
It’s obviously not without issue. But we need more mixing of culture/race/sex on the daily basis or we’ll be in this while male superiority complex society forever.
Realistically, the American military is likely to be fairly diverse, just not especially gender-diverse. You do not need quotas to achieve a reasonable level of racial diversity, as many men are psychographically drawn to military service regardless. An Estonian military, by contrast, is unlikely to be diverse no matter how aggressively DEI policies are applied; attempting to force diversity would effectively result in a foreign legion.
Women tend to require incentives, often in the form of college funding, to develop an interest in joining the military. They also tend to be less effective in duties involving firefighting and direct combat and can be liabilities in those particular situations. However, they are no different intellectually and are fully capable of performing engineering, technical, and similar roles, & advances in technology may help bridge some of these physical gaps in the future.
Regarding your claim that “a team with 20 percent minorities will be less likely to be overzealous toward minorities,” the reality may be closer to the opposite. White personnel can experience anxiety about appearing prejudiced and may therefore become overly cautious or under-enforcing in certain situations. Some evidence of this can be seen in instances where white police officers avoid proactive enforcement out of fear of being accused of racism, homophobia, or similar biases. Black officers (for example), by contrast, often appear to have greater immunity from these particular concerns.
P.S. Ideally, the U.S. military and other militaries would not be searching for monsters to destroy abroad, such as inventing reasons to attack Venezuela, Iran, etc. possibly for the benefit of Israel, lol.