Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Luke 12:16-21
And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.
Matthew 5:38-42
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
jesus is a bad master
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
Slavery according to the christian bible:
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves
No, it’s not.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?
You kind of remind me when ‘the right’ undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.
All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You’re not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn’t promote these things, I will.
good for you to acknowledge lot’s christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.
Easy for you to say, since you’re not in Lot’s position. So what, he should have been misandrist instead and let them rape the men? They didn’t even rape the daughters anyway, they were sodomites.
Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn’t realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.
Having sex with a drunk person is rape.
and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.
“supplied above” when you haven’t even supplied them
specifically because he values them less
I think that’s because they weren’t angels literally sent from God, not because they were women 🙄 either that or he was exposing the sodomites for not being interested in women, but instead being interested in men
You can play pretend, but you’ve directly responded to the biblical passages I’ve supplied in previous comments, so it’s foolish of you to make believe.
lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn’t make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
Luke 12:16-21
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
Matthew 5:38-42
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
No, it’s not.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy
ohet
Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?
You kind of remind me when ‘the right’ undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.
Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?
Matthew 7:21-23
Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.
All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You’re not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn’t promote these things, I will.
ohet
Easy for you to say, since you’re not in Lot’s position. So what, he should have been misandrist instead and let them rape the men? They didn’t even rape the daughters anyway, they were sodomites.
Having sex with a drunk person is rape.
And we know that in real life atheists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
and we know that in real life muslims are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
and we know that in real life satanists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
See? It’s almost as if such people exist in literally every group of humans that exist.
Convenient not to give any more examples apart from what I’ve already debunked. Define “misogyny” while you’re at it.
ohet
“supplied above” when you haven’t even supplied them
I think that’s because they weren’t angels literally sent from God, not because they were women 🙄 either that or he was exposing the sodomites for not being interested in women, but instead being interested in men
You can play pretend, but you’ve directly responded to the biblical passages I’ve supplied in previous comments, so it’s foolish of you to make believe.
lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn’t make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.