You really don’t realize that a citizen can’t do anything bureaucracy-related without bureaucrats? Try registering a company entirely by yourself without any involvement of the government, then tell me how it’s working out for you.
The question remains the same then, what power do you think you have over a rando in the executive branch. Or perhaps so it’s clearer to you, what power do you think you have over a rando in German bureaucracy who can drag out your affair for months.
99.99% of the bureaucrats you will meet with are on the local level. Most federal programs are administered by states. Suddenly your representation becomes a lot better. Easier to get a city councilman to help you out than a senator I’ll give you that.
But you really think it’s a better system to have to deal with a bureaucrat and to have to bribe them on top of it?
Honestly you’re sounding a lot like Trump when he began dismantling the federal government.
I’m not intimately familiar with the US local government (thankfully), so I may be missing something, and am genuinely curious as to how you would solve Joe Schmoe at the local DMV or whatnot being not particularly sympathetic toward your plight. To my knowledge, almost the entirety of the bureaucratic apparatus from the neighborhood to the federal level is appointed, with less than a handful levels being elected, and thus they don’t really give a damn about your choice in the next election, having survived more than a couple presidents and mayors.
From what I can see, the city council in the US is indeed elected. But, can it really help you with the Joe Schmoe problem? Are most government services really subject to the council’s authority? E.g. the DMV seems to be operated on the state level, and then who are you gonna petition for help? The governor? Will the governor interfere in every Karen vs Joe Schmoe standoff?
Not sure where senators come in, as I doubt it that your senator is gonna legislate for removal of Joe Schmoe from their position.
As to your last point, which one is cheaper for you: slipping Joe a hundo or petitioning the council, the mayor, the governor and the senator for weeks to months?
Easy you follow the rules. If they are breaking the rules you generally can get a supervisor to resolve it immediately. If that fails you can call your state representative. If that fails you can get a lawyer, but truthfully if the first two steps fail you’re almost certainly in the wrong.
almost the entirety of the bureaucratic apparatus from the neighborhood to the federal level is appointed
Employed is a better word. They can be fired if they are not doing their jobs easily enough (people who say otherwise are just unfamiliar with the system). They recieve regular reviews and have to compete for promotions. It’s a job. Who is their final boss at the top of the chain depends on if it’s local or state or federal. Local answers to the town council, state either answers to the governor or state legislature, and same for federal.
The only people that are appointed and hard to remove are usually the heads of agencies. They can set agendas, but that’s not really going to impact you going to the dmv or registering a buisness. And the majority of them are appointed every election
E.g. the DMV seems to be operated on the state level, and then who are you gonna petition for help?
So depends on state, but in my state the local DMV branches are ran entirely by the county. If you have an issue you either go up the chain within the DMV, contact your county representative, or contact your local state representative. Typically elected officials are good at handling these types of issues. I’ve known people that have had issues with their mail for example and the local federal congressman had a line dedicated entirely to dealing with these types of issues. They responded rather quickly.
I doubt it that your senator is gonna legislate for removal of Joe Schmoe from their position
Honestly I struggle to even think of an example where that would even be necessary. If someone is acting that badly usually their local supervisor will fire them before that point. But yes Senators do regularly intervene for their constituents.
As to your last point, which one is cheaper for you: slipping Joe a hundo or petitioning the council, the mayor, the governor and the senator for weeks to months?
Easy the council 100%. If I had to slip a hundo to every government employee to get anything done I’d be out thousands at this point. If it ever came to it the other option would cost me a phone call and an email. I’m sure I’d have to wait a couple of weeks, but likely not months. I’m sorry our system does tend to work for the most part without the need for me to shell out thousands of dollars to the DMV employees
Easy you follow the rules. If they are breaking the rules you generally can get a supervisor to resolve it immediately.
Do the rules specify that Joe must resolve any and all affairs in three business days?
Employed is a better word. They can be fired if they are not doing their jobs easily enough (people who say otherwise are just unfamiliar with the system). They receive regular reviews and have to compete for promotions. It’s a job.
Ah, unlike every company where Claire is working for forty years despite pissing off every newbie with her slow and tedious ways. Whose side will the employer take, Karen Nobody’s who’s complaining or Joe’s who’s been at his position for years and knows all the ins and outs and who’s a second cousin once removed to the department chief? Reeeeealllly unfamiliar with the system there, the ones who say otherwise.
Who is their final boss at the top of the chain depends on if it’s local or state or federal. Local answers to the town council, state either answers to the governor or state legislature, and same for federal.
Still unclear as to how legislature is gonna legislate Joe out of his position.
The only people that are appointed and hard to remove are usually the heads of agencies. They can set agendas, but that’s not really going to impact you going to the dmv or registering a business. And the majority of them are appointed every election
What incentive does the head of the agency have to fire employees who have tons of experience in their positions? Is it like Trump firing everyone who disagrees with his views? Oh wait, this is precisely the argument that you tried to use in a rebuttal to me.
Easy the council 100%. If I had to slip a hundo to every government employee to get anything done I’d be out thousands at this point. If it ever came to it the other option would cost me a phone call and an email. I’m sure I’d have to wait a couple of weeks, but likely not months.
I specifically scaled the amount to the US standards, and still you somehow think your time is worth less than that. I don’t know why and what you’re doing with the government every day that the balance is in your way, but this it’s certainly unhealthy. Where I am, I haven’t had to deal with the government in years. Also somehow I’m sure that “a phone call and an email” is more privilege than most people in the US have.
Do the rules specify that Joe must resolve any and all affairs in three business days?
Umm, no. You have yearly deadlines for things that you have to renew. Typically there’s a decent grace period and only a small fine if you fall out of compliance. It’s pretty easy for most stuff.
Ah, unlike every company where Claire is working for forty years despite pissing off every newbie with her slow and tedious ways. Whose side will the employer take, Karen Nobody’s who’s complaining or Joe’s who’s been at his position for years and knows all the ins and outs and who’s a second cousin once removed to the department chief? Reeeeealllly unfamiliar with the system there, the ones who say otherwise.
You can write fiction all day if you want to. Doesn’t change reality.
Still unclear as to how legislature is gonna legislate Joe out of his position.
They’re his boss at the end of the line. Anyway it’s not usually about firing Joe, it’s about getting the job done. Joe’s supervisor should fire him if he’s not doing his job. If it gets really bad the legislature could force the head of the agency to start firing people. Usually not necessary, but it’s doable.
What incentive does the head of the agency have to fire employees who have tons of experience in their positions? Is it like Trump firing everyone who disagrees with his views? Oh wait, this is precisely the argument that you tried to use in a rebuttal to me.
This isn’t even a coherent argument, nor what my point was at all. You asked who was appointed and I told you.
I’ll try to follow what you’re saying anyway. So in your mind these are extremely expirenced and invaluable employees, but also don’t do their jobs? Yeah that doesn’t make any sense
I don’t know why and what you’re doing with the government every day
I recieve mail through a government agency. Every year I pay my taxes, register my car, etc. For tax payments I deal with federal, state, and local. Everything else is just the normal stuff that comes up in life. Getting a marriage certificate, renewing a license, moving states causes re-registration, getting a passport.
All of these things were just simple and done correctly. Why would I want to pay a bribe instead of working with a functional system?
“a phone call and an email” is more privilege than most people in the US have.
It’s really not. Takes like 2 minutes to lookup your local government’s info. Frankly the percentage of people without internet access or phone access is very very low (thanks in part to government programs). Plus you can always go to city hall or the council meetings.
2 edgy 4 me
You really don’t realize that a citizen can’t do anything bureaucracy-related without bureaucrats? Try registering a company entirely by yourself without any involvement of the government, then tell me how it’s working out for you.
Yeah that’s how governments function dude
The question remains the same then, what power do you think you have over a rando in the executive branch. Or perhaps so it’s clearer to you, what power do you think you have over a rando in German bureaucracy who can drag out your affair for months.
99.99% of the bureaucrats you will meet with are on the local level. Most federal programs are administered by states. Suddenly your representation becomes a lot better. Easier to get a city councilman to help you out than a senator I’ll give you that.
But you really think it’s a better system to have to deal with a bureaucrat and to have to bribe them on top of it?
Honestly you’re sounding a lot like Trump when he began dismantling the federal government.
I’m not intimately familiar with the US local government (thankfully), so I may be missing something, and am genuinely curious as to how you would solve Joe Schmoe at the local DMV or whatnot being not particularly sympathetic toward your plight. To my knowledge, almost the entirety of the bureaucratic apparatus from the neighborhood to the federal level is appointed, with less than a handful levels being elected, and thus they don’t really give a damn about your choice in the next election, having survived more than a couple presidents and mayors.
From what I can see, the city council in the US is indeed elected. But, can it really help you with the Joe Schmoe problem? Are most government services really subject to the council’s authority? E.g. the DMV seems to be operated on the state level, and then who are you gonna petition for help? The governor? Will the governor interfere in every Karen vs Joe Schmoe standoff?
Not sure where senators come in, as I doubt it that your senator is gonna legislate for removal of Joe Schmoe from their position.
As to your last point, which one is cheaper for you: slipping Joe a hundo or petitioning the council, the mayor, the governor and the senator for weeks to months?
Easy you follow the rules. If they are breaking the rules you generally can get a supervisor to resolve it immediately. If that fails you can call your state representative. If that fails you can get a lawyer, but truthfully if the first two steps fail you’re almost certainly in the wrong.
Employed is a better word. They can be fired if they are not doing their jobs easily enough (people who say otherwise are just unfamiliar with the system). They recieve regular reviews and have to compete for promotions. It’s a job. Who is their final boss at the top of the chain depends on if it’s local or state or federal. Local answers to the town council, state either answers to the governor or state legislature, and same for federal.
The only people that are appointed and hard to remove are usually the heads of agencies. They can set agendas, but that’s not really going to impact you going to the dmv or registering a buisness. And the majority of them are appointed every election
So depends on state, but in my state the local DMV branches are ran entirely by the county. If you have an issue you either go up the chain within the DMV, contact your county representative, or contact your local state representative. Typically elected officials are good at handling these types of issues. I’ve known people that have had issues with their mail for example and the local federal congressman had a line dedicated entirely to dealing with these types of issues. They responded rather quickly.
Honestly I struggle to even think of an example where that would even be necessary. If someone is acting that badly usually their local supervisor will fire them before that point. But yes Senators do regularly intervene for their constituents.
Easy the council 100%. If I had to slip a hundo to every government employee to get anything done I’d be out thousands at this point. If it ever came to it the other option would cost me a phone call and an email. I’m sure I’d have to wait a couple of weeks, but likely not months. I’m sorry our system does tend to work for the most part without the need for me to shell out thousands of dollars to the DMV employees
Do the rules specify that Joe must resolve any and all affairs in three business days?
Ah, unlike every company where Claire is working for forty years despite pissing off every newbie with her slow and tedious ways. Whose side will the employer take, Karen Nobody’s who’s complaining or Joe’s who’s been at his position for years and knows all the ins and outs and who’s a second cousin once removed to the department chief? Reeeeealllly unfamiliar with the system there, the ones who say otherwise.
Still unclear as to how legislature is gonna legislate Joe out of his position.
What incentive does the head of the agency have to fire employees who have tons of experience in their positions? Is it like Trump firing everyone who disagrees with his views? Oh wait, this is precisely the argument that you tried to use in a rebuttal to me.
I specifically scaled the amount to the US standards, and still you somehow think your time is worth less than that. I don’t know why and what you’re doing with the government every day that the balance is in your way, but this it’s certainly unhealthy. Where I am, I haven’t had to deal with the government in years. Also somehow I’m sure that “a phone call and an email” is more privilege than most people in the US have.
Umm, no. You have yearly deadlines for things that you have to renew. Typically there’s a decent grace period and only a small fine if you fall out of compliance. It’s pretty easy for most stuff.
You can write fiction all day if you want to. Doesn’t change reality.
They’re his boss at the end of the line. Anyway it’s not usually about firing Joe, it’s about getting the job done. Joe’s supervisor should fire him if he’s not doing his job. If it gets really bad the legislature could force the head of the agency to start firing people. Usually not necessary, but it’s doable.
This isn’t even a coherent argument, nor what my point was at all. You asked who was appointed and I told you.
I’ll try to follow what you’re saying anyway. So in your mind these are extremely expirenced and invaluable employees, but also don’t do their jobs? Yeah that doesn’t make any sense
I recieve mail through a government agency. Every year I pay my taxes, register my car, etc. For tax payments I deal with federal, state, and local. Everything else is just the normal stuff that comes up in life. Getting a marriage certificate, renewing a license, moving states causes re-registration, getting a passport.
All of these things were just simple and done correctly. Why would I want to pay a bribe instead of working with a functional system?
It’s really not. Takes like 2 minutes to lookup your local government’s info. Frankly the percentage of people without internet access or phone access is very very low (thanks in part to government programs). Plus you can always go to city hall or the council meetings.