They tend to hate Western democracy as a whole. If Trump brings about complete Russian domination in Europe and ends elections in the US for good, of course they’d cheer for their comrade.
That’s my theory anyway. I don’t see modern tankies caring about socialism, that’s more of a guise for their authoritarianism fetish. After all, one of their most celebrated countries, Russia, is not at all socialist either.
Mind that I’m talking about tankies specifically. Plenty of leftists out there who are sensible. Asking about the two wars was kind of a litmus test. To me, if you approve of one offensive war, but not the other, you have some heavy geopolitical bias. Tankies are happy when Ukrainians die, but against the war in Palestine. Fascists are happy when Palestinians die, but have differing opinions on Ukraine. If you just don’t like people dying and think neither Israel nor Russia is in the right, then you’re not a tankie. Oversimplified, but very quick way to gauge whether someone is opposing some geopolitical bloc, or injustice and violence.
I am. So many proclaimed “communists” don’t really care about the whole communist thing, they just want a dictator.
The “leftist” spaces on grad, .ml and Hexbear were SUPER pro Russia last time I cared to see what they were up to. Tell me, in what universe is Russia a communist or even socialist nation? And at the same time, socdems are seen as evil incarnate. China, too, allows for billionaires, but since there’s a strong one party rule and they’re not allies of the west, they’re A-OK too.
I already said I’m talking about tankies, not leftists, socialists or even communists. Tankies just use their so-called leftism as a disguise when really they just worship authoritarianism.
So the difference between a modern day tankie and a socialist is that the former would prefer everyone in the geopolitical west to die or suffer, whereas the latter would prefer socialism to spread to the west.
Idk what to tell you bud, boldly declaring that a political label specific to socialist infighting has nothing to do with socialism doesnt somehow make it true.
There isn’t anything there to be offended by, it’s just a lazy and ill-considered application of a political label
It honestly just seems like you dont really know what the politics are, you just know ‘tankie’ as a loosely pejorative term for someone you have strong disagreements with.
Read the room, kid. I’m an anarchist, but I dont run around pretending not to understand the ML perspective just because it’s easier than treating it as coherent.
So why would you, an anarchist, defend those who literally simp for dictators? Because I’m talking about people who literally simp for Russia and China, which are capitalist countries - China minted more new billionaires in 2024 than any other country. Sure, it also has a bigger population than any other country, but if it was in any way communist, wouldn’t they prevent billionaires from happening? And I’m sure you understand that modern day Russia is about exactly as communist as modern day USA.
Also just an FYI that the non-revisionist internationalist socialist position is one of not supporting either side in an inter-imperialist war (read: a conventional one between two capitalist governments, not an anti-colonial one e.g.) and if viable go for revolutionary defeatism in ones home country
They tend to hate Western democracy as a whole. If Trump brings about complete Russian domination in Europe and ends elections in the US for good, of course they’d cheer for their comrade.
That’s my theory anyway. I don’t see modern tankies caring about socialism, that’s more of a guise for their authoritarianism fetish. After all, one of their most celebrated countries, Russia, is not at all socialist either.
Mind that I’m talking about tankies specifically. Plenty of leftists out there who are sensible. Asking about the two wars was kind of a litmus test. To me, if you approve of one offensive war, but not the other, you have some heavy geopolitical bias. Tankies are happy when Ukrainians die, but against the war in Palestine. Fascists are happy when Palestinians die, but have differing opinions on Ukraine. If you just don’t like people dying and think neither Israel nor Russia is in the right, then you’re not a tankie. Oversimplified, but very quick way to gauge whether someone is opposing some geopolitical bloc, or injustice and violence.
Every proper socialist hates bourgeois “democracies” lmao
But Russia (capitalist) and China (capitalist) are fine, right? Since they don’t have democracy at all.
Nobody said that, nice try fishing for strawmen though LMAO
No, that’s what tankies say all the time. If you’re not of that opinion, why the fuck are you defending them?
You’re not talking about tankies then.
I am. So many proclaimed “communists” don’t really care about the whole communist thing, they just want a dictator.
The “leftist” spaces on grad, .ml and Hexbear were SUPER pro Russia last time I cared to see what they were up to. Tell me, in what universe is Russia a communist or even socialist nation? And at the same time, socdems are seen as evil incarnate. China, too, allows for billionaires, but since there’s a strong one party rule and they’re not allies of the west, they’re A-OK too.
I already said I’m talking about tankies, not leftists, socialists or even communists. Tankies just use their so-called leftism as a disguise when really they just worship authoritarianism.
So the difference between a modern day tankie and a socialist is that the former would prefer everyone in the geopolitical west to die or suffer, whereas the latter would prefer socialism to spread to the west.
Idk what to tell you bud, boldly declaring that a political label specific to socialist infighting has nothing to do with socialism doesnt somehow make it true.
Do you see yourself as a tankie? Is that why you’re offended?
There isn’t anything there to be offended by, it’s just a lazy and ill-considered application of a political label
It honestly just seems like you dont really know what the politics are, you just know ‘tankie’ as a loosely pejorative term for someone you have strong disagreements with.
So do you see yourself as a tankie or not? Why do you refuse to answer the question?
Read the room, kid. I’m an anarchist, but I dont run around pretending not to understand the ML perspective just because it’s easier than treating it as coherent.
So why would you, an anarchist, defend those who literally simp for dictators? Because I’m talking about people who literally simp for Russia and China, which are capitalist countries - China minted more new billionaires in 2024 than any other country. Sure, it also has a bigger population than any other country, but if it was in any way communist, wouldn’t they prevent billionaires from happening? And I’m sure you understand that modern day Russia is about exactly as communist as modern day USA.
Also just an FYI that the non-revisionist internationalist socialist position is one of not supporting either side in an inter-imperialist war (read: a conventional one between two capitalist governments, not an anti-colonial one e.g.) and if viable go for revolutionary defeatism in ones home country
I thought tankies were marxist-leninist, which is both socialism and authoritarianism.
The socialism is optional now. Which is why they love Russia and China, two capitalist nations.