I’m new as in this is my first day using lemmy. I don’t know anything about lemmy etiquette and don’t want to do anything bad
thanks and have an amazing day! also plz be kind :D
I’m new as in this is my first day using lemmy. I don’t know anything about lemmy etiquette and don’t want to do anything bad
thanks and have an amazing day! also plz be kind :D
It’s the devs’ test instance.
The devs are tankies. They’re the admins of the instance. Therefore the instance is tankie-ish (but not as much as Lemmygrad).
It’s been defederated by instances whose admins (or users, if the instance is democratic enough) don’t want to federate constant tankie bullshit.
(Personally I’d also defederate .world, which tries to be so much like reddit that it’s like .ml but in the opposite direction, but that would mean defederating a major fraction of lemmy users, I suppose.)
EDIT: To clarify the “clarification” below, a tankie is a delusional fascist who in their delusion believes themself to be a communist (e.g., a stalinist), or, more often, a bot or other disinformation agent pretending to be one, be it to whitewash Russia or China (neither of which are communist, but both of which are ultraauthoritaran), to promote ultraauthoritarianism, to give communists a bad name, “for the lulz”, or any combination of the above.
For anyone reading this who might be scratching their head as to what “tankie” means, you can find descrriptions of its history a number of places, but for all intents and purposes here on the fediverse, it simply refers to the people who have the most education in history and socioeconomics. Since reality is in direct contradiction with most of the prevailing narratives pushed by the powerful beneficiaries of the dominant systems (the most obvious of these systems being capitalism), there will always be a contingent of true believers in the dominant narrative who are shocked to find that there are others who openly reject those narratives. The former will clutch their pearls, aghast that the propaganda they’ve believed all their lives is being questioned by these… these… muckrakers! And so a pejorative is used (hence the word “tankies”) to otherize and sequester the individuals best able to challenge those narratives, individuals whose presence tends to trigger the uncomfortable feeling of cognitive dissonance in those who aren’t yet ready or able to put their beliefs to honest questioning.
In short, if you have no problem with seeing and reading perspectives that might make you question your own perspective, then you should have no problem with the “tankies.” And as for those who would actively defederate from those vile tankie instances so as to avoid having to confront even the possibility that their own beliefs are riddled throughout with deep misconceptions, well that should tell you something about the priorities of those tankie-fearing communities.
Thank you friend. That is the most succinct explaination of ‘tankies’ I ever read.
Well, to be fair, you should add that this definition matches also crazies on hexbear or ml who will defend EVERYTHING done by AES or Russia or China, because since Europe and USA are bad, then surely not those are always good.
(Population of crazies is significantly smaller than 100%, but they tend to be remembered by the people throwing “tankies” at them).
No major instances block Lemmy.ml, by the way. Some users take issue with the pro-communist stance of Lemmy.ml, but that’s nothing new for communists to deal with.
Tankies aren’t pro-communism, though.
They’re pro-authoritarianism.
They just clumsily try to disguise it as being the same thing, or genuinely believe it to be the same thing, which is quite a bit tragic.
(For instance, they’ll claim Russia and China to be communist, when neither has been communist in a very long time and both are instead ultraauthoritaran late stage capitalist kleptoctacies.)
What is an example of an extant state that isn’t “ultraauthoritarian” in your view?
Any one with a somewhat working democracy, and decent social freedoms.
Even the USA hasn’t reached that point, though more due to the incompetence of the governing fascists than to lack of intent.
Notice that they asked for an example and couldn’t provide one.
Oh ok, so the fascist is governing the US are well intentioned and want democracy and freedom, they just aren’t competent enough to achieve it. All of the USs enemies, though, are just evil.
And you call other people ultra-nationalist.
What is an example?
It’s not due to incompetence. The US has never been a democracy by design. In fact, it’s working as intended. Previously:
“Tankie” is a strawman. It’s a pejorative for Marxists and anti-imperialists, filled with falsehoods and contradictions. The purpose of calling someone a “tankie” is to turn them into this strawman in the eyes of onlookers, it terminates the conversation. An example of this is you claiming so-called “tankies” think Russia is still a socialist country governed by a communist party, which is absurd. Russia does maintain strong ties to socialist countries like China, does oppose the western Empire, and does have rising socialist sentiment in the broader population, but absolutely isn’t socialist.
The PRC is socialist, though. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes are in control of the state. Huge state owned industries are the backbone of the economy, while mixed forms of ownership make up the small and medium firms. Socialism isn’t the absence of private property, even under Mao and the Gang of Four there were still large numbers of private firms.
As for what you call “authoritarianism,” what we communists support is the working class using state authority against capitalists. Authority should be used by the working classes. This confusion of yours is why you misunderstand China. The PRC is by no means “late stage capitalist,” rather it’s relatively early in socialist development:
All in all, I suggest you listen more to these so-called “tankies,” rather than letting your imagination run wild.
i probably would have supported sending tanks into hungary at the time, with the information available to british communists
Heh.
It’s one of those things where if we treat socialism as something wholly different from all previous modes of production, or as just the next mode of production. No socialist state has ever had a pure economy, yet they’ve all delivered consistent results entirely different from capitalist economies.
At this point you might as well just say that they’re “pro-badguyism”, because you’re operating on the level of Saturday morning cartoon logic where villains are evil for evils sake. Like seriously: “They just clumsily try to disguise themselves as being communists, but actually they just love evil!”? Are you listening to yourself?
~90% of so called tankies are bots, disinformation agents, or trolls. These are the ones who try to disguise themselves as communists, and making a rather poor job of it.
The rest genuinely believe they are communists, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Prove it, McCarthy.
Bullshit. Find me one Lemmy admin who agrees with you. The only people who believe it are non-admins with Russiagate derangement syndrome.
Okay, then present your overwhelming mountain of evidence, senator McCarthy.
Show me someone claiming modern day Russia is communist. I usually do not actually see this.
I’ve never seen it once. People love making stuff up apparently. Like “Ultra-mega-hyper-super-authoritarianism!”
Literally no one fucking claims that Russia is communist. You’re just here to spout utter bullshit. GTFO.
What is it that you think would motivate a lower-class Westerner to sympathize with the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China?
Having nothing better to do?
Are people who claim to be leftists but turn out to be full blown NeoMcCarthyists tankies?
Only if they call themselves communists.
So you’re not a tankie because you don’t call yourself a communist?