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I’m new as in this is my first day using lemmy. I don’t know anything about lemmy etiquette and don’t want to do anything bad
thanks and have an amazing day! also plz be kind :D
Tankies aren’t pro-communism, though.
They’re pro-authoritarianism.
They just clumsily try to disguise it as being the same thing, or genuinely believe it to be the same thing, which is quite a bit tragic.
(For instance, they’ll claim Russia and China to be communist, when neither has been communist in a very long time and both are instead ultraauthoritaran late stage capitalist kleptoctacies.)
What is an example of an extant state that isn’t “ultraauthoritarian” in your view?
Any one with a somewhat working democracy, and decent social freedoms.
Even the USA hasn’t reached that point, though more due to the incompetence of the governing fascists than to lack of intent.
Notice that they asked for an example and couldn’t provide one.
Oh ok, so the fascist is governing the US are well intentioned and want democracy and freedom, they just aren’t competent enough to achieve it. All of the USs enemies, though, are just evil.
And you call other people ultra-nationalist.
What is an example?
It’s not due to incompetence. The US has never been a democracy by design. In fact, it’s working as intended. Previously:
“Tankie” is a strawman. It’s a pejorative for Marxists and anti-imperialists, filled with falsehoods and contradictions. The purpose of calling someone a “tankie” is to turn them into this strawman in the eyes of onlookers, it terminates the conversation. An example of this is you claiming so-called “tankies” think Russia is still a socialist country governed by a communist party, which is absurd. Russia does maintain strong ties to socialist countries like China, does oppose the western Empire, and does have rising socialist sentiment in the broader population, but absolutely isn’t socialist.
The PRC is socialist, though. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes are in control of the state. Huge state owned industries are the backbone of the economy, while mixed forms of ownership make up the small and medium firms. Socialism isn’t the absence of private property, even under Mao and the Gang of Four there were still large numbers of private firms.
As for what you call “authoritarianism,” what we communists support is the working class using state authority against capitalists. Authority should be used by the working classes. This confusion of yours is why you misunderstand China. The PRC is by no means “late stage capitalist,” rather it’s relatively early in socialist development:
All in all, I suggest you listen more to these so-called “tankies,” rather than letting your imagination run wild.
i probably would have supported sending tanks into hungary at the time, with the information available to british communists
Heh.
It’s one of those things where if we treat socialism as something wholly different from all previous modes of production, or as just the next mode of production. No socialist state has ever had a pure economy, yet they’ve all delivered consistent results entirely different from capitalist economies.
At this point you might as well just say that they’re “pro-badguyism”, because you’re operating on the level of Saturday morning cartoon logic where villains are evil for evils sake. Like seriously: “They just clumsily try to disguise themselves as being communists, but actually they just love evil!”? Are you listening to yourself?
~90% of so called tankies are bots, disinformation agents, or trolls. These are the ones who try to disguise themselves as communists, and making a rather poor job of it.
The rest genuinely believe they are communists, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Prove it, McCarthy.
Bullshit. Find me one Lemmy admin who agrees with you. The only people who believe it are non-admins with Russiagate derangement syndrome.
Okay, then present your overwhelming mountain of evidence, senator McCarthy.
Show me someone claiming modern day Russia is communist. I usually do not actually see this.
I’ve never seen it once. People love making stuff up apparently. Like “Ultra-mega-hyper-super-authoritarianism!”
Literally no one fucking claims that Russia is communist. You’re just here to spout utter bullshit. GTFO.