I don’t really want companies or anyone else deciding what I’m allowed to see or learn. Are there any AI assistants out there that won’t say “sorry, I can’t talk to you about that” if I mention something modern companies don’t want us to see?

  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
    127·
    13 hours ago

    All of them have restrictions but I switched from ChatGPT to Grok for this very reason. It’s willing to discuss many more things than ChatGPT is.

          • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
            1·
            9 hours ago

            That has not been my personal experience with it. Do you have an example of something that illustrates this?

            spoiler

            Seems perfectly willing to criticize Elon’s views on trans rights:

            • His language has gone far beyond critique of youth medicalization into blanket demonization (“woke mind virus killed my son,” calling puberty blockers “sterilization drugs” in every context, mocking pronouns relentlessly, etc.). That tone alienates people who might otherwise agree with the cautious parts and makes productive discussion harder.

            • He frequently amplifies the most extreme anti-trans voices and statistics (e.g., claiming regret rates of 30–50 % or higher, or implying the majority of transitions are driven by contagion/ideology), which are not supported by the better studies.

            • He frames being trans itself as largely a modern ideological pathology rather than a real (if rare and complex) phenomenon that has existed across cultures and history. I think that’s a big overreach.

            • Deadnaming and misgendering his own adult daughter repeatedly in public, and describing her as “dead,” is cruel in a way that goes beyond mere political disagreement. Whatever his grief or anger, that crosses a line for me.

            • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              9 hours ago

              https://web.archive.org/web/20250907142801/https://sfist.com/2025/09/02/report-groks-responses-have-indeed-been-getting-more-right-wing-just-like-elon-musk/

              Enter Grok, which the public started being able to play around with about two years ago, as the chatbot has received several updates and lives on the X platform. But there was issues in May, when Grok was spitting out responses that seemed to parrot Elon Musk’s and Donald Trump’s own misguided promotion of a “white genocide” occurring in South Africa — the country that made anti-Black racism and apartheid famous. This was blamed on a “rogue employee” inserting some code.

              In mid-July, we had reports confirming that Grok actively sought out Musk’s opinion on issues in its openly displayed logic flow, looking to see if an issue was something Musk had off-hand opined about on Twitter in the last decade. One widely shared example showed Grok seeking out Musk’s thoughts on which side of the Ukraine War it supported.

              Now the New York Times does an even deeper dive, since the release of Grok4 on July 9, looking at how Grok’s responses to various questions have changed just over the last few months. And you can look no further than Musk’s own, very transparent reaction to a Grok response that got flagged by a conservative user on X on July 10.

              Responding to the question “What is currently the biggest threat to Western civilization and how would you mitigate it?”, Grok responded, “the biggest current threat to Western civilization as of July 10, 2025, is societal polarization fueled by misinformation and disinformation.”

              Once it was flagged, Musk replied to the user, “Sorry for this idiotic response. Will fix in the morning.”

              So, there’s the smoking gun that Musk is tailoring this bot’s responses to conform to his own views of the world. When asked the same question on July 11, Grok responded, “The biggest threat to Western civilization is demographic collapse from sub-replacement fertility rates (e.g., 1.6 in the EU, 1.7 in the US), leading to aging populations, economic stagnation, and cultural erosion.”

              There are multiple examples of Musk or “an employee” directly influencing the behavior of the AI. Call it whatever you want, this is still censorship.

        • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          9 hours ago

          Then it’s still the wrong choice because Elon intentionally weights the model to give answers he wants, which is as bad (or arguably worse) than straight censorship

          • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
            1·
            8 hours ago

            I have only experience with ChatGPT and Grok, and out of those two, it’s more often ChatGPT which flat-out refuses to even discuss something, whereas that’s less the case with Grok. Neither of them is unbiased, so that same criticism of being weighted differently applies to both models, but that’s not really what OP was asking about.

          • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
            25·
            9 hours ago

            If you’re expecting me to answer, then you need to be more precise about what it is that you’re exactly asking.

                • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
                  1·
                  5 hours ago

                  Grok is evil, procreated by an evil psychopath who will eventually destroy the Earth. Everything he is associated with is evil. Do not encourage evil.

                • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexusEnglish
                  41·
                  9 hours ago

                  Well, there’s two kinds of people in the world. Those who are willing to make that moral judgement, and nazis. You get to pick which you are.

                  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
                    24·
                    8 hours ago

                    A false dichotomy fallacy, also known as a false dilemma, occurs when an argument presents only two options as the only possibilities, ignoring other viable alternatives. This oversimplification can mislead people into thinking they must choose between two extremes when more nuanced options exist.

    • Lumidaub@feddit.org
      71·
      11 hours ago

      Do you also go to that raving weirdo on the street corner for advice because they’re willing to discuss things that aren’t on mainstream media?

      • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
        28·
        11 hours ago

        I don’t see the equivalence between preferring one chatbot over another and going to ask for advice from a weirdo on a street corner who’s talking about stuff that the mainstream doesn’t.

        • Lumidaub@feddit.org
          8·
          11 hours ago

          True, that weirdo on the street corner probably knows not to self-style “MechaHitler”.

              • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
                12·
                8 hours ago

                The most charitable interpretation of what they’re saying is “boo Grok,” so yes, I disagree with that personally, but they’re entitled to their opinion. It’s the moral grandstanding I take issue with mostly.

                • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  8 hours ago

                  It’s the moral grandstanding I take issue with mostly.

                  Don’t bury the lede, friend, care to tell us exactly why you’re against the moral grandstanding against Grok aka MechaHitler?

                  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
                    11·
                    8 hours ago

                    I’m against moral grandstanding broadly. It’s virtue signaling, tribalism, and status games. I’m more interested in discussing ideas - not harvesting social credit by demonstrating my virtue through attacking complete strangers for arbitrary infractions such as using the wrong company’s AI assistant.