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    Understandably so. The only question is, where to? Because if they’re thinking EU, well…the grass isn’t necessarily that much greener on this side either, or at least it won’t be for much longer with the way things are going.

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      According to the poll:

      Canada remains the top preferred destination for younger American women looking to leave, with 11% of those in the years since 2022 mentioning Canada as their top destination, ahead of New Zealand, Italy and Japan (all 5%).

      I guess probably Canada because of proximity. The others seem more random as top choices. But I spose if they were polled in a way that listed limited number of countries, that could have skewed it too. I don’t know how exactly the poll was structured. The details at the bottom indicate the way it was conducted (via Landline and Mobile Telephone for 2024 US if I’m reading right) but there doesn’t seem to be information on what all questions they asked.

      The main question referenced in the article is:

      Ideally, if you had the opportunity, would you like to move PERMANENTLY to another country, or would you prefer to continue living in this country?

      But presumably there is a missing followup question to ask about what country if someone says they would like to move.

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        Canada remains the top preferred destination for younger American women looking to leave

        That’s a bit of a cop-out imo. No offense but Canada is essentially just an extension of the US, culturally, economically, politically… And how’s the housing affordability situation in Canada these days? I mean you’re jumping out of the frying pan, yes, but just into another slightly smaller frying pan.

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          Yeah, as a Canadian, I can confirm. There’s very little independent policy here and politics tend to follow the US with just like half a decade lag. So, exact same stuff will be happening here in the near term. The housing affordability in Canada is absolutely terrible, I think it’s actually worse than the US if you can imagine that. Meanwhile, libs here are openly talking about mass austerity to fund 5% NATO spending.

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          No disagreement here. But then, people like us have awareness on imperialism, colonialism, capitalism, etc. They may be polling a fair amount of dissatisfied liberals.

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            Depends what you mean by “good countries”. I would argue that a good country is a country where life is affordable, even if it is nominally poorer. Western chauvinists like to denigrate global south countries as “third world” but, ironically, you can often live an easier - if simpler and with not as many comforts - life there.

            Immigration is difficult, period. If you’re very poor you most likely can’t afford to immigrate because you can’t afford the up front costs, and so you’re basically stuck. And even if you can afford it, there are still plenty of bureaucratic hurdles that can be very daunting. I don’t and have never recommended to anyone (except “Israeli” settlers) that they should emigrate, because i know from personal experience how hard it is, especially if you’re already struggling financially.

            Of course it will always be easier to immigrate to a country with less of a language barrier and less of a culture shock. So it’s understandable that most Americans would choose Canada, with Europe as a second choice. But there are other choices if you are willing to try and embrace something very different from what you are used to.

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              I’m mentally disabled. I’m considered unfit to work even in the US. I doubt anyone wants me and I’ll probably die when the country collapses. I know that as China develops that it will relax immigration because it’ll become less of a problem as it approaches communism and produces enough to sustain itself even with immigrants. Maybe I’ll get lucky.