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Cars and their privacy and security concerns

I think car privacy isn’t talked about amongst any privacy enthusiasts online ever, and it apparently is one of the biggest data collectors out there. For someone like me who values electric cars for there affordability and environmental reasons, but still want physical car buttons and control over my data, how would I go about this?

  • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
    183·
    12 hours ago

    Prove it’s a myth. I find it really hard to believe me going and purchasing a new car is better then using an already existing car. Manufacturing has a big cost for cars.

    • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works
      13·
      11 hours ago

      Rough math involved: production of a new EV results in between 8-15 tonnes of CO2 emissions, depending on the size of the batteries and vehicle trim.

      But let’s aim for somewhere in the middle and take ~12 tonnes as a yardstick.

      ~12 tonnes of CO2 emissions equates to roughly 1,350 gallons of fuel.

      Depending of fuel efficiency, this would equate to between 20k~45k miles.

      Feel free to double-check my math in case I did anything wrong, but it does validate that most of these „facts” around EVs are likely FUD spread by fossil fuel aligned sources.

      ETA: initially forgot to include CO2 emissions from electricity generation - but this varies wildly based on source (nuclear, hydro & renewables at 0 etc.)

      • bob@feddit.uk
        1·
        1 hour ago

        I find this a bit misleasing, especially when (in the uk) electricity is only ~50% renewables apparently.

        https://www.zemo.org.uk/assets/workingdocuments/MC-P-11-15a Lifecycle emissions report.pdf

        For example, a typical medium sized family car will create around 24 tonnes of CO2 during its life cycle, while an electric vehicle (EV) will produce around 18 tonnes over its life. For a battery EV, 46% of its total carbon footprint is generated at the factory.

        So EVs are a small improvement. Since I enjoy older cars and my privacy a lot more, I’m gonna keep enjoying them and not let manafacturers ram EVs down my throat, especially when a lot of them are hideous SUVs.

      • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        1 hour ago

        By “tonnes”, do you mean 2,000lb or 1,000kg? In an engineering context, “ton” is the former and “tonne” is the latter.

        “Tonne” is also synonymous with “long ton” (dur to converting to 2204.6lb), as well as “metric ton”.

    • MrSulu@lemmy.mlEnglish
      24·
      8 hours ago

      Just to point out that you made the initial argument and commented a view without evidence. Now you ask someone who disagrees to give evidence?

    • monovergent@lemmy.ml
      1·
      11 hours ago

      Especially wrt. modern gas-fuelled cars for the typical driver as EV prices are artificially jacked up in many Western countries.