Its possible for a capitalist country to have silly buildings and dyed hair and for a non capitalist country to not have silly buildings and dyed hair, therefore the reason is probably more complex than what broad category the economic system falls in
The claim made is that the reason we can’t dye our hair and have silly buildings is because of capitalism.
We can observe that in capitalist countries there are silly buildings - eg, the Sydney Oprah House; and you actually can dye your hair - eg, half of my friends.
If we look at non-capitalist countries like North Korea or Cuba, we notice, at best, an equivalent amount of silly buildings and hair dying.
It may be stated that non-capitalist countries like North Korea or Cuba are not capitalist but are not the correct sort of non-capitalist countries to maximize silly buildings and dyed hair. The next obvious question is - if these are not the correct countries to look at, which are?
4.1) Sometimes anarchist collectives are pointed to. The most notable among these in the modern world with significant scale is the Zapatista territory in Mexico. I have not personally been to the Zapatista territories, but based on some googling, I cannot find any particular evidence of more or less silly buildings or dyed hair in this region.
4.2) Sometimes it is claimed that all the governments which would have maximized silly buildings and dyed hair were overthrown by the globalist/capitalist conspiracy (or whatever). But then we must ask why this same conspiracy failed to overthrow Cuba or North Korea. Or else why it has not overthrown the Northern European governments which have some non-capitalist features.
Based on all this, I think there is a reasonable claim to be made that capitalism is not strongly corrolated with dyed hair and silly buildings. And with no strong corrolations, saying that a lack of dyed hair and silly buildings is capitalism’s fault cannot be claimed in good faith.
Frankly, it’s just not worth the effort. You’re clearly wanting all bad things to be capitalism’s fault, and I really don’t thing any logical point made against that ideology is going to make any sense to you.
Oh I can refute it. I just value my time and I don’t exercise in futile arguments with people online that manufacture outrage from things that have nothing at all to do with the point being discussed- for example, capitalism being the reason for why we aren’t song anything in the meme.
So, I’d say it’s more like:
“I don’t wanna bother, because I don’t like to waste my time debating with kids who are known for creating arguments out of thin air by doing things like forcing you to defend points that you never even made to begin with.”
Or….
“I don’t wanna bother, because even though I clearly stated that it’s not worth the time- you’ve proven the point correct by showing that you refuse to accept an unliked truth in a statement by incorrectly assuming that I cannot explain it.”
Or…
“I don’t take that schoolyard bait of “yOu aReN’t eXpLaiNiNg bEcaUsE yOu cAn’T!”
Whichever one makes you feel better. They’re all true so it matters very little to me.
And take note: I will spend my time explaining all of this to you over explaining how capitalism isn’t the boogeyman behind every bump in the night, because at least in this- someone reading along might find a way out of having to waste their time arguing with people that just want to waste their time- where the end-result is just going to be me being called a “bOoTLiCkEr” or some other such misguided nuance-less nonsense.
In short- You arrived at your opinion by being unreasonable. Why on earth should the onus be on me to educate you when you’re clearly not reasonable enough to accept that your logic here is deeply flawed?
Now go ahead and do your little “I win” dance and respond with whatever you feel you need to say. And with all due respect, I probably won’t even read it, and I’m certainly not going to respond any further as everything I could say to anything you could say has already been said right here.
So you either missed, or completely ignored the part where I said that If it helps someone reading along understand how not to fall into the time-sink trap of arguing with debate bros, it’s time well spent?
Because this pretty much illustrates my point. You’ll just make your own argument out of what I’m saying regardless of wether or not i spell it out for your in plain English- so I don’t waste my time with it.
But maybe someone else hasn’t learned this lesson yet and hopefully, they can see from the example that’s this discussion- that it is clearly impossible for any of you to avoid inadvertently proving.
As I have said- several times now… I’m not here to defend capitalism. I’m here soaking up all the examples of why it’s pointless to debate people whose only argument relies on re-writing the arguments of others.
Thanks for your contribution.
EDIT: to the clown that deleted their message so that I’d receive it but not be able to reply,
It’s not about ego. But cowardly jabbing someone and then deleting your comment says a lot more about you.
And this emphasizes my point. You think that because I won’t waste my time explaining something to you, I have nothing to explain, and therefore you win.
This clears illustrates your inability to rationalize- which shows that I made the right call.
Can you refute it?
Its possible for a capitalist country to have silly buildings and dyed hair and for a non capitalist country to not have silly buildings and dyed hair, therefore the reason is probably more complex than what broad category the economic system falls in
It’s pretty easy.
4.1) Sometimes anarchist collectives are pointed to. The most notable among these in the modern world with significant scale is the Zapatista territory in Mexico. I have not personally been to the Zapatista territories, but based on some googling, I cannot find any particular evidence of more or less silly buildings or dyed hair in this region.
4.2) Sometimes it is claimed that all the governments which would have maximized silly buildings and dyed hair were overthrown by the globalist/capitalist conspiracy (or whatever). But then we must ask why this same conspiracy failed to overthrow Cuba or North Korea. Or else why it has not overthrown the Northern European governments which have some non-capitalist features.
Based on all this, I think there is a reasonable claim to be made that capitalism is not strongly corrolated with dyed hair and silly buildings. And with no strong corrolations, saying that a lack of dyed hair and silly buildings is capitalism’s fault cannot be claimed in good faith.
Frankly, it’s just not worth the effort. You’re clearly wanting all bad things to be capitalism’s fault, and I really don’t thing any logical point made against that ideology is going to make any sense to you.
So that’s a no. Best argument for capitalism, “I don’t wanna bother, just consume.”
Oh I can refute it. I just value my time and I don’t exercise in futile arguments with people online that manufacture outrage from things that have nothing at all to do with the point being discussed- for example, capitalism being the reason for why we aren’t song anything in the meme.
So, I’d say it’s more like:
“I don’t wanna bother, because I don’t like to waste my time debating with kids who are known for creating arguments out of thin air by doing things like forcing you to defend points that you never even made to begin with.”
Or….
“I don’t wanna bother, because even though I clearly stated that it’s not worth the time- you’ve proven the point correct by showing that you refuse to accept an unliked truth in a statement by incorrectly assuming that I cannot explain it.”
Or…
“I don’t take that schoolyard bait of “yOu aReN’t eXpLaiNiNg bEcaUsE yOu cAn’T!”
Whichever one makes you feel better. They’re all true so it matters very little to me.
And take note: I will spend my time explaining all of this to you over explaining how capitalism isn’t the boogeyman behind every bump in the night, because at least in this- someone reading along might find a way out of having to waste their time arguing with people that just want to waste their time- where the end-result is just going to be me being called a “bOoTLiCkEr” or some other such misguided nuance-less nonsense.
In short- You arrived at your opinion by being unreasonable. Why on earth should the onus be on me to educate you when you’re clearly not reasonable enough to accept that your logic here is deeply flawed?
Now go ahead and do your little “I win” dance and respond with whatever you feel you need to say. And with all due respect, I probably won’t even read it, and I’m certainly not going to respond any further as everything I could say to anything you could say has already been said right here.
Dam. You sure do spend a lot of time telling us you don’t have time to waste your time.
“I don’t have time to actually back my beliefs, but I will belittle you, that I have time for.”
That’s just a cop out.
Correct, he knows he has no answers so he’ll dance around.
Ah. Yep.
So you either missed, or completely ignored the part where I said that If it helps someone reading along understand how not to fall into the time-sink trap of arguing with debate bros, it’s time well spent?
Because this pretty much illustrates my point. You’ll just make your own argument out of what I’m saying regardless of wether or not i spell it out for your in plain English- so I don’t waste my time with it.
But maybe someone else hasn’t learned this lesson yet and hopefully, they can see from the example that’s this discussion- that it is clearly impossible for any of you to avoid inadvertently proving.
Sounds like a cop out
Sounds like you’re helping to prove my point.
“No I don’t have time, but I’ll be a smary asshole for a few paragraphs.”
So again, no actual defense for capitalism.
As I have said- several times now… I’m not here to defend capitalism. I’m here soaking up all the examples of why it’s pointless to debate people whose only argument relies on re-writing the arguments of others.
Thanks for your contribution.
EDIT: to the clown that deleted their message so that I’d receive it but not be able to reply,
It’s not about ego. But cowardly jabbing someone and then deleting your comment says a lot more about you.
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Yeah that’s what I thought.
And this emphasizes my point. You think that because I won’t waste my time explaining something to you, I have nothing to explain, and therefore you win.
This clears illustrates your inability to rationalize- which shows that I made the right call.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Joubert
Just some musings that this exchange made me think of.
Yeah. He definitely has some good quotes that apply here:
• Ask the young. They know everything.
• When I see young people such as those of our day, I think that Heaven wishes to destroy the world.
• It is not facts, but rumors that cause emotions among the people. What is believed creates everything.
• One loves to say what he knows, the other loves to say what he thinks.