• MourningDove@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    Frankly, it’s just not worth the effort. You’re clearly wanting all bad things to be capitalism’s fault, and I really don’t thing any logical point made against that ideology is going to make any sense to you.

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      2 days ago

      So that’s a no. Best argument for capitalism, “I don’t wanna bother, just consume.”

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        2 days ago

        Oh I can refute it. I just value my time and I don’t exercise in futile arguments with people online that manufacture outrage from things that have nothing at all to do with the point being discussed- for example, capitalism being the reason for why we aren’t song anything in the meme.

        So, I’d say it’s more like:

        “I don’t wanna bother, because I don’t like to waste my time debating with kids who are known for creating arguments out of thin air by doing things like forcing you to defend points that you never even made to begin with.

        Or….

        “I don’t wanna bother, because even though I clearly stated that it’s not worth the time- you’ve proven the point correct by showing that you refuse to accept an unliked truth in a statement by incorrectly assuming that I cannot explain it.”

        Or…

        “I don’t take that schoolyard bait of “yOu aReN’t eXpLaiNiNg bEcaUsE yOu cAn’T!

        Whichever one makes you feel better. They’re all true so it matters very little to me.

        And take note: I will spend my time explaining all of this to you over explaining how capitalism isn’t the boogeyman behind every bump in the night, because at least in this- someone reading along might find a way out of having to waste their time arguing with people that just want to waste their time- where the end-result is just going to be me being called a “bOoTLiCkEr” or some other such misguided nuance-less nonsense.

        In short- You arrived at your opinion by being unreasonable. Why on earth should the onus be on me to educate you when you’re clearly not reasonable enough to accept that your logic here is deeply flawed?

        Now go ahead and do your little “I win” dance and respond with whatever you feel you need to say. And with all due respect, I probably won’t even read it, and I’m certainly not going to respond any further as everything I could say to anything you could say has already been said right here.

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            1 day ago

            “I don’t have time to actually back my beliefs, but I will belittle you, that I have time for.”

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            So you either missed, or completely ignored the part where I said that If it helps someone reading along understand how not to fall into the time-sink trap of arguing with debate bros, it’s time well spent?

            Because this pretty much illustrates my point. You’ll just make your own argument out of what I’m saying regardless of wether or not i spell it out for your in plain English- so I don’t waste my time with it.

            But maybe someone else hasn’t learned this lesson yet and hopefully, they can see from the example that’s this discussion- that it is clearly impossible for any of you to avoid inadvertently proving.

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          “No I don’t have time, but I’ll be a smary asshole for a few paragraphs.”

          So again, no actual defense for capitalism.

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            As I have said- several times now… I’m not here to defend capitalism. I’m here soaking up all the examples of why it’s pointless to debate people whose only argument relies on re-writing the arguments of others.

            Thanks for your contribution.

            EDIT: to the clown that deleted their message so that I’d receive it but not be able to reply,

            It’s not about ego. But cowardly jabbing someone and then deleting your comment says a lot more about you.

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        2 days ago

        And this emphasizes my point. You think that because I won’t waste my time explaining something to you, I have nothing to explain, and therefore you win.

        This clears illustrates your inability to rationalize- which shows that I made the right call.

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          It’s not mental repose they seek, but mental laziness.

          Those who never back down love themselves more than they love the truth.

          When the last word is always the one that offers itself first, the work becomes difficult.

          You want to explain everything by the facts that are known to you. But the facts that are not known to you? What do they say?

          It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.

          • Joseph Joubert

          https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Joubert

          Just some musings that this exchange made me think of.

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            2 days ago

            Yeah. He definitely has some good quotes that apply here:

            • Ask the young. They know everything.

            • When I see young people such as those of our day, I think that Heaven wishes to destroy the world.

            • It is not facts, but rumors that cause emotions among the people. What is believed creates everything.

            • One loves to say what he knows, the other loves to say what he thinks.