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This whole discussion is a big nothing-burger, designed to divide and distract the people from real issues. Just have a look at who voted for this, majority right wing and eurosceptical factions. To sow distrust, paint the EU as a bunch of idiots who have nothing better to do, who want to regulate your daily life, who thinks the citizens are a bunch of children.
Now everyone is talking about this stupid measure because it makes great headlines, forgetting to mention that this vote does not have any regulatory and legal impact. The only thing it does is that the parliament has to discuss it, which is a long way from turning this into a law.But it’s great for the outrage mill, makes amazing headlines (for a while) which sow distrust and division and also lots of ridicule towards the EU.
Someone’s gonna profit from it one way or the other and everyone else will be dumber just for having this shoved in our faces.It is Brexit all over again.
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burgerNothing-“preformed vegetable disc” ;)
According to hundreds of open-text responses, many consumers view the name debate as unnecessary or just “symbolic politics.” The majority prefer to see a focus on more urgent societal issues.
The reasoning behind the ban is supposedly to prevent consumers from accidentally purchasing plant-based products instead of meat ones…but plant-based products are often sold in their own sections and have distinctive packaging. Having “burger” or “sausage” in the name suggests what the product is intending to replace, which is helpful to people looking for alternatives to these products, especially if they have recently switched to a plant-based diet.
Overall, what a non-issue.
The issue is back to front even. Go read the ingredients on all of the products proudly procliaming themselves “plant based”, and you’ll find a significant number containing animal products, trying to tap into the vegan market without acatually making vegan products and using weasely terms to justify themselves because they never explicitly said it was “vegan”.
And it also becomes a stupid topic for those languages were words like sausage is literally just a shape like in Swedish were it can be used for poop too lol
It sounds more like this law is supposed to stop the plans based industry. Like you said it is easier for the curious ppl (like kids) to test something that they understand and know how to cook. I thought we were fighting for the environment.
The numbers show that the problem is not with the packaging but with the supermarket shelves. The proximity of meat and plant-based alternatives leads to confusion; simply banning names would likely have little impact.
This coincides with a pet peeve of mine: strategical supermarket shelving. When in previous decades there were separate sections for different types of produce, these are now mixed in thematically somehow. So, as an example, before there was refrigerated vegan products in one section, sausage/meat products in another, now there’s a section for “things to put on bread”.
Before there was an organic section, now organic food is mixed in with “normal” food and you have to look for a label.This is no doubt to make customers buy more, but I fail to see how exactly. It just pisses me off. I might spend more time in the shop because of that but not more money.
I have practiced economical shopping, comparing prices and ingredients, for decades. I am not changing my habits.They also want me to bend down more often - but that’s OK.
Many see this as a sideshow. According to hundreds of open-text responses, many consumers view the name debate as unnecessary or just “symbolic politics.” The majority prefer to see a focus on more urgent societal issues.
A certain type of voter gets riled up very nicely when you even suggest that eating less meat is an option. Therefore it’s specifically right-wing populist Symbolpolitik.
Nobody, in the history of mankind, has been confused by the term veggie burger.
Well tbf I have. Cause sometimes veggie means vegan and sometimes it means vegetarian and now I just avoid products with the term altogether :<
Just put “vegan burger” on there pls
I don’t recall ever having seen a vegan product that isn’t explicitly labeled as such. Usually with an extra seal/blob/design element that makes it pop out of the surrounding design.
So, to me at least, veggie always just means vegetarian.
But I have to admit that that’s not something I usually focus on.
Yeah if it’s not clearly marked vegan but also says veggie then it pretty obvious in my opinion too. Could be vigan(most likely not) and that I should check.
If it’s something that is supposed to taste like something that came from animals, I’m pretty certain you’ll always see it marked vegan if it is
I see a lot of products called “vegetal” are actually vegetarian, with milk or eggs.
I’m pretty sure I remember seeing a vegetarian burger patty, which contained egg whites. That was in a German supermarket. Maybe we’ve been fooled by the same one.
Nothing happens. Thats it. Of course they could just mandate that all non animal based meat substitutes have a huge clearly visible label. Even better force them to make all plant based meat substitutes be green.
Remember, the deputy who proposed that also said that France recognizing Palestine was not the right moment and not a priority. But lobbying is.
Just create icons for foods as we’ve done for recyclables.
Milk carton? Paper icon. Detergent bottle? Plastic icon.
Veggie burger? Vegetarian icon. Vegan burger? Vegan icon.
Then you can just skip all this naming politics and call it whatever you like. Just require the appropriate icons on the front of the packaging.
Meat/poultry/fish should be their own icons as well imo.
I don’t know if there’s any good reason not to do this, but it seems like a good idea to me.
Veggie burger? Vegetarian icon. Vegan burger? Vegan icon.
This is already happening because the producers aren’t stupid. Unlike certain politicians, apparently.
You expect people that can’t understand that a thing called “veggie meat” or “plant based burger” is not animal meat to see a tiny icon?
So make big icon?
Maybe margarine should be pink.
Like the slime they make the chicken nuggets from?
If they’re going to do that they should also ban french tacos.
Yeah that really is an abomination.
Certainly after most French supermarkets stopped selling hard taco shells as they weren’t authentic.
There you go, EU, again treating your citizens as total retards on a non issue. What’s next, forcing standard shapes in vegetables and fruits?
Hey look the right-wing anger diversion tactics worked again
How did it work?
That is not an idea from the EU commission. The right wing parties in the EU parliament had that idea.
I only eat triangular pears and it’s time you lot get on board with this!
Enough with politics they should be rectangular for easier stacking
Let’s agree to disagree
forcing standard shapes (edit: and sizes) in vegetables and fruits
This has already been the case for many decades, and not just in the EU.
Which was, at least in the EU, an initiative coming from the industry and not from crazy bureaucrats. Makes packaging food much more efficient if a cucumber can only be curved so much.
didnt we already do that?
No. I don’t know if this is where you heard the story from specifically, but certainly here in the UK it was basically a lie spread by pro-Brexit figures. There is an EU regulation on the shape of fruits, but it’s only for classifying them; you can absolutely buy and sell funny-shaped fruit all you want. It’s just an easy way for buyers that do actually care about perfectly-shaped fruit to find that, such as wholesalers
As far as I know the classification initiative also came from the food industry. It makes packaging much more efficient.
