California Governor Gavin Newsom holds an early edge over Vice President JD Vance among young male voters for the 2028 presidency, according to new polling from a Republican-affiliated firm.
The latest League of American Workers/TIPP survey, conducted October 22-28, shows that among young men, 38 percent would vote for Newsom compared to 33 percent for Vance.
The findings suggest that Newsom—a prominent Democratic voice—continues to outperform expectations with a demographic that has trended toward the GOP in recent years. The results come amid renewed debate within both parties over how to win back young men, a group increasingly seen as pivotal to future national elections.
Imagine what sort of a pathetic, defective, beta cuck, weirdo loser you’d have to be, to admire and want to support JD Mandel ! That guy is unfuckable, like Ted Fucking Germ Cruz !
The repubs should definitely nominate newsom over vance for president. He’d be a much better candidate than all of this maga crap.
This is the equivalent of saying people prefer a dried turd over a puddle of vomit. At least the turd is easier to get rid of.
Gross.
Can we stop supporting establishment candidates? The fall in line crowd isn’t falling in line and we would all benefit from having a progressive in office.
How is it even a comparison? Who the hell would vote for couch fucker?
Newsom is very conservative and fucks over the poor rather than couches
Vance is just leading them to the local furniture store.
He who has the dankest of memes wins
Yes, Gavin is a way better conservative than the couch fucker, but that ain’t saying much.
Gavin will run on a blue ticket on a 2016 maga platform, mark my words.
I agree. He is just another face of Maga. Maga lite, if you will.
I used to think Newsome was possibly a psychopath, and I still do, and I thought it might hurt him in a national contest, compared to a “home town boy” like JD, on account of relatability, but now I think it might be the opposite, or at least also true that JD is too relatable for his own good…We know a little too well who he is…
He’s the bosses dickhead kid. You know, the one that would get drunk and tear around in his dad’s boat like an asshole with his other rich dick friends, got in trouble for that awful wreck in high school but nobody ever heard what came of it? Damn shame about that guy and his daughter. Yeah, he’s one that turned a wrench in the shop for a couple weeks but it wasn’t for him, the oil and solvents and whatnot, too hard on his hands. He went off to college for a few years, came back and took over the manager job his dad’s been promising you for a few years. Now he’s your boss, and he just cut your hours. Happy Thanksgiving.
That’s fuckin’ JD Vance.
I figured you were talking about Newsome.
Same, just swap out for a white collar job.
Don’t run Newsom. Run AOC
This please…
It’ll be Harris all over again. JD sucks but in no way would I be enthusiastic about voting for Newsom.
Anyone but Newsom. Please.
Everyone responding “at least he isn’t as bad as that other corporate Democrat” is just sad.
I’d prefer him over Harris I think, but wouldn’t be very happy with either
So far I think he’s better than Hillary Clinton. I also don’t really know what he stands for.
He stands for corporations as far as I can tell. Occasionally he is on the right side of things, seemingly on accident.
In what way, though? Everybody stands for corporations in some way.
He’ll nit support cost of living, depressed wages, and will continue to offer tax breaks to the wealthy. Maybe he throws LGB people a bone, but he will absolutely make sure trans people get shafted. He’s a corporate Dem when what the Dems actually need to be doing to helping working people.
Is this all based on things he’s actually done as a governor or proposed? Or just the vibes he puts out?
As for giving trans people the shaft. I think this is just exaggerations people make online. He came out against trans athletes joining sports of their gender. But that’s an issue 66% of Americans agree with. It hardly means he doesn’t support trans people.
I think there’s no way in hell Harris would win a democratic nomination. The stink left on her from losing to Trump will be very hard to overcome.
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Not sure what this means, honestly. She hasn’t won a democratic primary yet, but has lost to a historically unpopular candidate. While also sharing the stage with conservatives. I just don’t think she’ll be able to shake that.
They do say that llms don’t actually understand anything so that tracks
lol, ok.
I think she’d be great. I’d vote for her if I could.
We need more good Senators.
Think she could win a democratic nomination? I think it’s going to be very hard for her to overcome that loss.
I think she’d slot into Schumer’s slot nicely. If AOC doesn’t grab it first.
NY is definitely not an easy state to win statewide elections. But I hope she does. She deserves a much bigger platform.
Edit: I hope she does. Somehow I said the opposite of what I meant.
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I was not and would not be enthusiastic about voting for Harris - but I would vote for her.
I straight up would not vote for Newsom.
I think we have our answer.
It’s AOC.
Run AOC.
Run a primary
Yeah, you’re right, shit I forgot what those were.
Democratic primary is going to be INTERESTING. God I hope we don’t fuck this up.
While I would love AOC, she would be the youngest by quite a bit. Plus, she probably needs to win something more than a house seat. It is great having a party leader that is so young.
The problem with the party leadership route is that party insiders are the only ones who get to vote on it, and when that’s the electorate she can’t even beat Gerry Nadler. If she can run in a race with real people voting on it I think she could beat anyone.
Why? Explain why.
Copy and pasting from my other comment
Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).
To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.
I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.
So because she isn’t in the hierarchy, too easy say less burn the hierarchy down. IDGAF about your perceived “uphill” battle if she has the words and is elected in the primaries full send.
Literally, Trump wasn’t shit before and had a shitty first term and they re elected him.
The primary is the uphill battle. She’ll have my vote at all stages probably.
Trump never held office before being elected president. What he had was fame. Guess what AOC has in spades?
Integrity, respect of her constituency, and empathy.
Tell me again how many times the current president was a senators or representative or in government at all. Your comment is garbage.
Well I’m not exactly happy about him so not the greatest example of who I would vote for.
To the extent that people are in his cult, he was a national celebrity heralded as the leader of multinational business concerns. That distinction should have carried huge burden of those concerns being crap, but the apprentice made him out to be smart supreme businessman.
As compelling as AOC might be. Her track record even in theory is a single congressional district.
Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).
To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.
I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.
Your comment is garbage.
Grow up
Quit juggling and Answer the question. What was Donald Trumps previous roles in government before he was the president.
Clearly you’re not actually interested in having a conversation since you are ignoring my actual points and the spirit of what I’m saying.
AOC shares nothing in common with what brought Trump to power. He has been a very well known national figure for longer than AOC has been alive. He had a national brand that gave him an advantage.
AOC doesn’t have this yet. She is very popular among progressives, but in no way is she taken as seriously nationally as somebody who has been making headlines since the 80s. Or even as someone who was a senator or governor or VP or cabinet member. She could earn this respect in debates, but it will be much harder for her than others.
I dont think its extreme to prefer some larger leadership roles before the largest one in the country. Even Obama had a senator stint. Even with it I think he squandered certain opportunities for progress because of inexperience. I’d still vote AOC before Newsom by a large margin but there are also other potentials in the party. Those potentials aren’t as left as I’d like but they could be more effective at getting things done.
Trump is a strong argument against allowing inexperience…
Keep polishing those turds with experience. They still will be turds.
Obama was a turd as well he just made you feel good about it.
You deserve Nancy polosi, biden, and Mitch McConnell.There’s a difference between experience and entrenchment.
And how well has that worked out for the country?
I see you are just piling up your trash for that move to under the bridge. Worked out pretty good for China I’d say. But keep playing by outdated imaginary hard rules and thinking in your 1980s logic world let me know how that works out for you.
So you decided to be an unrestrained asshole instead of admitting that your shitty example was flawed. Cool.
Go fuck yourself.
Is AOC running?
Is Newsom running (any more officially than AOC)?
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She’s building up for something, not yet clear whether state level or national level.
NY “moderate” dems need replacement. Hochul, Schumer, Gillibrand…
Antonio Delgado is challenging Hochul and I’m excited for that. Gillibrand unfortunately isnt up for a while yet. Schumer is up in 2028 and therefore the most likely for AOC to challenge at state level.
She is likely running for senate.
There are rumors. If have to check but I don’t think Newsom is explicitly running yet either
Dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. She would be a great candidate, but to quote back to the future " I guess you guys weren’t ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it’
If she wins the primary then all bets are off. That would mean she ran enough of a good campaign that big money didn’t matter.
Call it dumb, but Newsom is one candidate that voting for would violate my moral code. If it’s Newsom vs Trump or Newsom vs Vance, I am staying home.
I am literally begging democrats to run someone I can vote for. Doesn’t have to be a good candidate, just has to be someone that’s not Newsom
I defo think we should run AOC over Newsom. That said, people staying home because voting for the lesser of two evils “violated their moral code” is how we ended up in our current situation. It is unbelievably selfish to prefer to say “at least my hands are clean” as the world grows drastically darker due to your inaction. I really hope we get to vote for AOC in 2028, but if we don’t, then I am begging you to do some reflection and change your attitude.
It’s strange to me that we’re agitating for voters to change and not our leaders. It’s fewer people you have to convince.
We’re doing both. Mamdani and the new DNC leadership are proof of this. Please don’t turn this into a false dichotomy; voter apathy still needs to be challenged at every turn, along with demanding better of our leadership.
Fair point. I wanted to call out how voters asking for better candidates is not voter apathy. Not that people who are apathetic to democracy don’t need to be challenged.
AOC with a Bernie VP could win. With just AOC, your going to have a bunch of neolibs that will just sit out because they don’t want to vote for a woman. It’s fucking stupid, and counter productive, but it’s true.
It’s not lesser of the two evils for me. Newsom strikes me as a smarter Trump seen through a Democratic curtain instead of a Republican one.
Voting for Biden and Harris were voting for the lesser of the two evils. Voting for Newsom is not. That’s how strongly I feel about Newsom.
While I would enthusiastically vote for AOC, it doesn’t have to be AOC to get my vote. Hell, id vote Whitmer - and she gives me slimy vibes.
the astroturf is strong with this one
Get ready for a lot more of it when the elections come around. This place will be crawling with that bullshit again.
Hey, maybe he’s a true believer that just drank all the astroturf flavored Kool-aid.
Newsom is also not my preferred candidate. Yeah, it might lower enthusiasm and cause people to stay home, aka the opposite of Mamdami. But I’m not going to go tell my friends and everyone on the Internet not to vote because of it.
I looked that up. I’m not representing other people or claiming that this will be a movement. If they run Newsom, they will lose my vote. If that doesn’t matter to them, so be it.
People like you discouraged votes for Harris, and handed Trump his second term.
Newsome is terrible. He’s a slimy rich boy who is exceptional at playing demographics.
People are excited cause this gerrymandering thing was a win. The dude has been enabling PG&E to kill hundreds of people in Northern California and handed them more power in relation to solar installation. He’s not that far off from his democratic cuck podcast phase where he let popular republicans shit down his throat cause he thought that would make him more popular nationality.
Newsome will sell the nation out for money, or power, he doesn’t care about California, he cares about looks. DNC loves a plastic-surgeried, rich candidate as much as republicans do. You can hope they do better, but people are shallow.
What are newsomes previous policy choices or personal actions that would disqualify him in your view?
No, that’s a great point of view. If someone offers you 40% of what you want, and the other person offers you 0%, and wants you to become a slave, the only natural choice is to not support either of them, because you can’t get 100% of what you want…
As I say at work fairly often, the chances of something going from a state of complete disarray to complete perfection, overnight, is essentially zero. But even if you go from 1% of what you want to 2%, that’s still an order of magnitude better than the status quo.
When faced with a choice of no improvement, or slight improvement, it hardly ever makes sense to choose no improvement, unless there’s some massive cost involved for a barely noticable gain.
Newsom doesn’t offer me 40%. He offers 0%. Sorry not sorry.
President Vance it is, then.
Run aoc but dress her as a leather couch every day. Easy victory.
There are Democrats not named Newsom.
If Democrats choose to run him anyway, then I guess we’ll have President Vance, yes.
This is the same stupid logic that got us Kavanaugh. There has to be more than one eligible person, yet they insist on pushing one of the worst possible candidates.
Are you saying Newsom is the last standing Democrat available to run for President? Because I disagree.
Oh, shut up.
Like the other guy said: shut up.
Newsom is infinitely more likely to get elected in a national election unless we suddenly develop class consciousness.
Always saying centrist candidates are the only ones who can win and then running only centrist candidates is a self fulfilling prophecy that doesn’t even have a good track record.
Remember when Harris was running, and everyone kept telling us that Leftists don’t come out to vote? Remember them telling us that she should keep moving to the right, despite the fact that Leftists are way more popular?
Get ready for more of that with Newsome.
Remember them telling us that she should keep moving to the right
I don’t remember anyone saying that, the general consensus seemed to be people criticizing her for embracing Liz Cheney and moving to the right.
Don’t run either. Can’t ever get change if people keep electing POS that place the status quo over the needs of the working class Edit sp
But Newsom made funny Twitter posts.
From the comments, it looks like a lot of people are willing to repeat the mistakes that got us Trump.
We’re so fucked.
My assessment is that we are in a unique place where we need system changes - without which policy changes will be near impossible. I’m talking term/age limits for all branches, banning lobbying, publicly funded elections, banning gerrymandering, etc. And while Gavin is not ideal from a policy perspective - he does appear to have the fortitude to tackle systemic corrections.
I’ve only seen the opposite in the comments. The people don’t want a repeat of what got us Trump. But the DNC sure seems hellbent on trying it again.
Vance is the lowest possible bar you could compare him to…
That’s good, Gavin needs a low bar or else he won’t clear it…
Why do young men have such bad taste in politicians? Jfc
The poll was most likely only JD Vance and Newsom.
Their source of “news” is tiktok. Newsom has a better meme game, that’s all there is to it.
Young people tend to have less experience and education. The younger you are, the less of both you have.
IDK about that man, even when i was an inexperienced idiot (necessity for past tense arguable) I knew not to vote for obviously shitty people.
That’s something I always struggle to understand. I was a young moron once, but even young after I SAW the lies of W, the fear mongering about gays, about liberals about Muslims… It was constant fear this fear that while they started illegal wars and crashed the economy.
Ever since that bullshit I’m STILL waiting for an apology and admission of guilt for the shit they pulled before I’d ever even consider voting R.
Meanwhile they have just gotten worse and worse… You don’t have to be a PhD historian to see that the GOP lies and steals and fear mongers. It’s all they fucking do.
In 30 years they’ve never provided a solution to ANYTHING
They only idea they’ve ever had is tax cuts… That’s it…
Lots of unresolved daddy issues resulting in “pick-me” men.
I mean, I too prefer stage 2 neoliberals to terminal neoliberals
we need a leftist to run ffs
Fuck Newsome. More of the same bullshit Dems that lost to Trump…
