I like that the US is in red. By definition it can’t invade itself, but it did bomb and try to coup itself as well as the other 3.
Why don’t they have military coups in America?
Because there’s no US embassy in Washington DC
- Latin American joke
It also interfered in its own elections
and libs want to tell me i should be mad at china or venezuela.
They hate us for our freedoms.
The US has done demonstrably bad things, and WWII is not one of them
Sees a map of > 120 countries the US has attacked and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in
“Okay but 3 of those deserved it”
I obviously don’t know what Dessalines meant by his map, but you should read about all the shit US was doing in Europe in the last 50 years - e.g. Operation Gladio is the most famous one. That did include mass bombings done by US and trying to pin the blame on antifa or socialist or communist parties.
That’s 6 of the, I’m gonna guess around 100 countries in red
Where is there a claim otherwise here?
Given how many of these countries the US entered only during WWI or WWII, there’s certainly an implication
You are assigning morality to invading. This simply states that the US invaded these countries.
The reason why is pretty important.
Because of the implication.
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Damn that’s crazy. Anyway:
- In 1967, the CIA helped South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in villages, in the Phoenix Program. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had executed between 26,000 and 41,000 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters.1
Wait, what does this have to do with the above comment?
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Instance whining from dronies isn’t allowed here. Go make other instances miserable with it.
I think it’d be more like a 99.5% truth considering all but 3 or so of the countries the US invaded were almost as evil as itself. The nazis only aspired to acheive what the US succesfully carried out: the near total decimation of hundreds of indigenous peoples, and clearing of an entire continent to make room for white europeans. Manifest destiny succeeded, lebensraum failed thanks to the USSR.
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Good old Freedom and democracy™
We also need a map for right-wing pedophiles the US kept in power, because its not an insignificant number.
Because the criterion “bombing” is explicitly mentioned, Switzerland must also be colored red. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_incidents_in_Switzerland_in_World_War_II
I don’t want to portray Switzerland as a poor, innocent victim here. As already described in this commentary.
Maybe unintentional things aren’t counted.
Not all of these were unintentional, as much as the official statements claim otherwise
Also Hungary
with Canada, what? that doesn’t even make sense to me, I know there’s the war of 1812 but I can’t think of anything since 1900
I think it’s the last one- interfering in elections.
Yeah, I don’t really think that holds up to scrutiny, unless I’m missing something. I know there’s more evidence of the USA meddling in an Australian election, but the evidence of anything overtly illegal is very thin.
From this, I had just remembered finding the following after what I had said- U.S. elites are backing Albertan Separatism and I think this video does a fairly good explanation of the movement, discusses some context, and discusses a couple potentially legitimate grievances but then of course what the U.S. elites have to gain from backing it.
Edit: added another detail, and clarifying the use of the phrase ‘potentially’ due to that I’m not Canadian and don’t know the full context.
Yes, that is true. I don’t discount that many American citizens are attempting to influence our politics in Canada, but I just find it a bit absurd to put it on par with all the criminal coups and murderous stuff America has done in most of all the other countries in the original map.
At least the US knows to not mess with the Mongolian Empire.
Horse archer hordes ain’t nufn to fuckwit
Bellum Americanum
What’s the source for this?
I’d like to see what the criteria for each event is tbh.
And can we get one for the other “super powers” of the world?
You can see a list of US atrocities here.
Map shows Sweden in Red… as in they have been meddled with but your list shows the only mention of Sweden as:
In 1801, and again in 1815, the US aided Sweden in subjugating a series of coastal towns in North Africa, in the Barbary Wars. The stated reason was to crack down on pirates, but the wars destroyed the navies of Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco, and secured European and US shipping routes for goods and slaves in North Africa.
So before 1900 and not in Sweden itself… Do you have another source that matches the map actually?
Could be referring to the assassination of Olaf Palme, the Swedish PM who stood against US foreign policy, siding with Cuba, Vietnam, against apartheid south africa, against pinochet, etc. He was a target of P2 / gladio, and its possible the CIA had a hand in his assassination. It remains an unsolved murder.
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12·2 days agoThe list is sourced. What’s the difference between posting a link to it or posting it as a comment?
cry abt it
Do one for the UK, or France, or Germany.
France and Germany would look a little smaller, I’d think. UK probably has a pretty big one, they still had most of their colonies back then. One for Russia would probably be fairly similar too, the Cold War was global after all.
I’d like to see one for Norway, but going back to include the viking age. That’d be kinda neat.
One for Russia would probably be fairly similar too, the Cold War was global after all.
Sorry, but that does not appear to be the case. The US has vastly more foreign interventions than the Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China combined. Like an order of magnitude more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_China
Those seem to be lists of various violent interventions. The op specifies several non-military influences as well.
Good point, but I would expect that violent and non-violent interventions are roughly correlated, meaning that countries that start more violent interventions also start more non-violent interventions than others.
I would expect a country with a strong naval aspect focused on power projection to do more overseas military action, while a country with less focus on navy to use other means to accomplish their goals.
Unfortunately, I still don’t think that any other country in the world can come close to the US in terms of interventionism of any kind. Here’s another simple list that outlines both military and covert foreign interventions by the US (as of December 2005):
https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html
I think if we consider how many communist movements were being supported in the earlier parts of the 20th century, we more or less come up with “everywhere”. If you read the op, financial support is included, especially with “election interference” being such a hugely broad category.
My original comment was trying to subtly point out that these conditions were a little silly, rather than trying to downplay US interventionism. I think I did a poor job getting that across though. The conditions are so broad that the map likely underestimates us. So broad, that any modern-era superpower that has invested significant money in lobbying for their interests overseas should have more or less the entire map painted in their color under these conditions. Since the popularization of the internet, you could probably shorten the timeframe to just the last 10 years if you wanted, and the biggest powers would still have the whole map painted in their color.
I’m not downplaying US interventionism in the slightest. We are an extraordinarily violent people with a bloody history, just look at our mass media. We are, however, not alone in trying to press for our interests overseas. We’re just the best equipped to do it with bombs, which makes us stand out a little bit, as it probably should. This is due to our maritime projection and trade policy, though, not because other superpowers have had some policy of leaving others alone. The communist revolution was envisioned to be a global process, after all.
What about Europe??
What about ism?
Don’t know what the US did to the Soviets but it’s telling that the Soviets are all gone. Must not be using a sustainable method.
Blaming the victims of the US empire for not withstanding its onslaught.
- In 1996, after receiving incredibly low approval ratings, the US helped elect Boris Yeltsin, an incompetent pro-capitalist independent, by giving him a $10 Billion dollar loan to finance a winning election. Rather than creating new enterprises, Yeltsin’s democratization led to international monopolies hijacking the former Soviet markets, arbitraging the huge difference between old domestic prices for Russian commodities and the prices prevailing on the world market. Much of the Yeltsin era was marked by widespread corruption, and as a result of persistent low oil and commodity prices during the 1990s, Russia suffered inflation, economic collapse and enormous political and social problems that affected Russia and the other former states of the USSR. Under Yeltsin, Between 1990 and 1994, life expectancy for Russian men and women fell from 64 and 74 years respectively to 58 and 71 years. The surge in mortality was “beyond the peacetime experience of industrialised countries”. While it was boom time for the new oligarchs, poverty and unemployment surged; prices were hiked dramatically; communities were devastated by deindustrialisation; and social protections were stripped away.1,2
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Whataboutism Liberal present
“verifiable historical facts don’t matter because I have imagined that the person telling them to me is Russian and therefore wrong, lying or otherwise somehow ontologically duplicitous”
A smug retreat from reality
I had to remove about 5 comments above that were like “ok that’s a verified historical fact but that’s
.mlfor ya”.When liberals run out of arguments, they attack your identity, especially if its perceived as being anti-western-supremacist.
Yes. That is what people were saying. Not “Yeah, the US fucking sucks but some of those feel like a stretch”
Unrelated: How does it feel to know you put all this work into a mostly useable social media system and… the vast majority of the users of that cringe at the mere thought of you. Like… did you actually think this would make you any friends? Or is that why you go hardcore tankie at any given opportunity?
… Holy fuck. You’re the elon musk of the fediverse… Oh god… Now I REALLY feel bad for you. Like… holy shit
what
we can see your deleted comment in the modlog, so lying about it seems a bit funny
Australia lmao? Gough Whitlam is likely, but not factually proven.
Its pretty much proven. There’s many books with the details, especially a section in William’s Operation Gladio book that talks about it.
I think that probably has something to do with Papua New Guinea or something…
Same with KRudd. Not proven, but seems likely.
