similarly you get things like a magic (3/4 cup double ristretto flat white served in a tulip cup - a tulip cup is ~180ml - same as 6oz) in a 6 or 8oz (depending on the cafe) just not entirety full
also, regular that i put in the comment is 8oz, which is ~256ml - not 500ml; 250ml is a metric cup, so it’s a pretty reasonable regular size even in roughly metric terms
…But that’s cup size, not coffee size. And even then, an espresso cup is something like 80ml (illy US specifies 3oz), which makes sense if a lungo is 60ml. A metric cup is legally defined as 240, not because cups made in Europe are 250ml, but because the US customary unit of “cup” translates to about 240ml of volume. Actyal, physical metric cups are generally 80-150ml. A 240ml “cup” is more of a mug than a cup, really, and even mugs are usually .3l or so.
And I don’t think I’ve ever, in my life, gotten served a half-liter of anything non-bottled, other than beer or maybe soup.
The cup currently used in the United States for nutrition labelling is defined in United States law as 240 ml
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and some other members of the Commonwealth of Nations, being former British colonies that have since metricated, employ a “metric cup” of 250 millilitres
Canada now usually employs the metric cup of 250 ml
Similar units in other languages and cultures are sometimes translated “cup”, usually with various values around 1⁄5 to 1⁄4 of a litre.
so let’s not base anything metric on what the US does
Cafes use various sizes of coffee cups to serve mocha, lattes, and other coffee drinks. They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml
225ml = 7.61oz
336ml = 11.36oz
460ml = 15.55oz
which pretty much exactly matches up to the 8, 12, and 16oz standard cup sizes as i mentioned
if you walk into pretty much any cafe in the world that has a barista and not just a machine, you’ll be able to ask for an 8oz flat white and you’ll get roughly the same amount of beverage in the same sized cup
They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml
You mean “They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml.[1]^”? I agree, it is dubious - it’s like someone assumed the whole world makes coffee in 8, 12, and 16oz. Also, they’re just below the “cup holding 50−100 ml” for espresso and “cup holding approximately 160 ml” for cappuccino.
This might be true for the non-US anglosphere but I guarantee you if you walk into a normal coffee shop in germany and ask for 8 ounces (or rather “Unzen”) of anything they’ll blink fast and ask if ounce wasn’t a measurement for gold or something.
And a cup of espresso is usually around 25ml (so a bit under 1 fl oz).
i don’t know what to tell you mate, but i have, and do this regularly: i travel to berlin yearly and drink multiple coffees per day when im there… they have them labelled as their size names, but they are 8oz-12oz sizes: what they call them is irrelevant; it’s the standard when buying the cups, so they are 8oz etc sizes
it’s also kinda irrelevant what a shot of espresso is: they come in 4oz cups… this is the standard that a cafe will give… a shot of espresso is a shot of espresso; the volume of liquid doesn’t really change, and you wouldn’t pay more for a larger amount without extra coffee anyway
for flat whites etc, the standard GLOBALLY is an 8oz cup with a single shot (or sometimes 2 depending on the bean - really that can vary depending on the cafe and how mild their beans are) full to the top with steamed milk… that’s it - there’s no ifs buts or maybes… it’s the same in germany, it’s the same in france, it’s the same in belgium, it’s the same in australia, and yes it’s the same even in the US
even starbucks behind their ridiculous names for their cups use standard cup sizes: a short is 8oz, a tall is 12oz, a grande is 16oz
…I think I understand the source of the confusion here.
You think 8-12-16oz is the standard in coffee shops worldwide, because to you, “coffee” means “latte”, and “coffee shop” means “place that sells latte in plastic to-go cups”, whereas the standard unit of coffee in Europe is a café espresso, which is a 30ml shot of pure coffee served in a 50-100ml white china demitasse.
Perhaps use SI units instead of “small, medium, large”
One queen size coffee please
Can I get a liter of cola?
as much as I love SI units, coffee sizes for decent cafes are already pretty standard across the globe:
4oz (shots) 6oz (small) 8oz (regular) 12oz (large) 16oz (iced, etc)
??? A .5l iced coffee is not “regular”, nor is “shot” the smallest. A typical shot of espresso is 30ml (1floz), half for ristretto, double for lungo.
these are cup sizes… you typically get a shot of espresso, ristretto, etc in a 4oz cup
like these: https://foodpackagingonline.com.au/products/cups/paper-coffee-cups/single-wall-coffee-cups/ccswwh04
similarly you get things like a magic (3/4 cup double ristretto flat white served in a tulip cup - a tulip cup is ~180ml - same as 6oz) in a 6 or 8oz (depending on the cafe) just not entirety full
also, regular that i put in the comment is 8oz, which is ~256ml - not 500ml; 250ml is a metric cup, so it’s a pretty reasonable regular size even in roughly metric terms
…But that’s cup size, not coffee size. And even then, an espresso cup is something like 80ml (illy US specifies 3oz), which makes sense if a lungo is 60ml. A metric cup is legally defined as 240, not because cups made in Europe are 250ml, but because the US customary unit of “cup” translates to about 240ml of volume. Actyal, physical metric cups are generally 80-150ml. A 240ml “cup” is more of a mug than a cup, really, and even mugs are usually .3l or so.
And I don’t think I’ve ever, in my life, gotten served a half-liter of anything non-bottled, other than beer or maybe soup.
yet again the US does weird af stuff:
so let’s not base anything metric on what the US does
and as for cup sizes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_cup
225ml = 7.61oz
336ml = 11.36oz
460ml = 15.55oz
which pretty much exactly matches up to the 8, 12, and 16oz standard cup sizes as i mentioned
if you walk into pretty much any cafe in the world that has a barista and not just a machine, you’ll be able to ask for an 8oz flat white and you’ll get roughly the same amount of beverage in the same sized cup
You mean “They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml.[1]^”? I agree, it is dubious - it’s like someone assumed the whole world makes coffee in 8, 12, and 16oz. Also, they’re just below the “cup holding 50−100 ml” for espresso and “cup holding approximately 160 ml” for cappuccino.
dubious – discuss ↩︎
This might be true for the non-US anglosphere but I guarantee you if you walk into a normal coffee shop in germany and ask for 8 ounces (or rather “Unzen”) of anything they’ll blink fast and ask if ounce wasn’t a measurement for gold or something.
And a cup of espresso is usually around 25ml (so a bit under 1 fl oz).
i don’t know what to tell you mate, but i have, and do this regularly: i travel to berlin yearly and drink multiple coffees per day when im there… they have them labelled as their size names, but they are 8oz-12oz sizes: what they call them is irrelevant; it’s the standard when buying the cups, so they are 8oz etc sizes
it’s also kinda irrelevant what a shot of espresso is: they come in 4oz cups… this is the standard that a cafe will give… a shot of espresso is a shot of espresso; the volume of liquid doesn’t really change, and you wouldn’t pay more for a larger amount without extra coffee anyway
for flat whites etc, the standard GLOBALLY is an 8oz cup with a single shot (or sometimes 2 depending on the bean - really that can vary depending on the cafe and how mild their beans are) full to the top with steamed milk… that’s it - there’s no ifs buts or maybes… it’s the same in germany, it’s the same in france, it’s the same in belgium, it’s the same in australia, and yes it’s the same even in the US
even starbucks behind their ridiculous names for their cups use standard cup sizes: a short is 8oz, a tall is 12oz, a grande is 16oz
…I think I understand the source of the confusion here.
You think 8-12-16oz is the standard in coffee shops worldwide, because to you, “coffee” means “latte”, and “coffee shop” means “place that sells latte in plastic to-go cups”, whereas the standard unit of coffee in Europe is a café espresso, which is a 30ml shot of pure coffee served in a 50-100ml white china demitasse.