• bss03@infosec.pub
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      I do it for “selfish” reasons, but not those. I want the carts in their corrals so they don’t damage my car and are in a well-known location when I want/need to use them. So, I do the work needed to make that world, and not just the minimum.

      I also have to recognize that not everyone has the ability to return the cart, and so while/when I have that ability, I should return at least a few carts that aren’t “mine”.

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      4 hours ago

      Interesting philosophical question there. Do we ever do good deeds for selfless reasons? Or do we do it for the satisfaction, recognition, or sense of self?

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        It’s essentially for selfish reasons, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t putting ourselves second or even third. You won’t be doing stuff your brain doesn’t tell you to do and your motivator is called dopamine. Where that comes from is irrelevant. But when you have a good heart you will tend to want to make the world a better place. And you will live knowing that you did. However, it is possible to have a bad day and still have the enforced neural pathways that got trained because the dopamine has made your brains remember the last time you did that. At the moment you might not even like doing it but you do it anyway. Because it’s “the right thing to do” or so your brain says. When you have felt a hardship you may also feel compassion with someone and do not want them to feel what you felt. But the essential reason is the same.

        So it’s absolutely possible to be selfless, just not for selfless reasons. Doesn’t mean we’re all selfish assholes. On the contrary. We get happy in groups, so we want the groups to be happy. We do everything for that. If we don’t then we tend to not really be there anymore. And we’re not required to, but we do. That’s the selfless part.

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        Can any deeds even be evaluated as good or bad without the context of satisfaction, recognition, or sense of self???

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          Right? People don’t exist in vacuums, we all rely on each other and the relationships we maintain.

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        Idk, the other day I saw someone had parked one of those pay to ride scoots in the middle of a walking path. It was not necessarily on my way the way I was coming from, but it annoyed me enough that I moved it to the side of the road. Was it a good deed? I mean it no longer obstructed the path, and someone probably had an easier time due to it. I gained nothing by doing it, nor was it ever implied by any public norm I should do it. Although I guess it could just be an upbringing thing.