Stolen from Deltachat

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
          3·
          11 months ago

          There have been Linux distributions certified as Unix in the past.

          When people say “Unix”, they usually could care less about certification.

          I’d still say that BSDs are Unix and Linux isn’t due to, say, kernels of Solaris and FreeBSD having some traces of similar architecture, while Linux is a completely different thing.

    • Syldon@feddit.ukEnglish
      121·
      11 months ago

      Mainly because Windows has more support. Software availability is the biggest draw to Windows. I would quite happily drop it in a heartbeat if Linux came close.

      • Hasuris@sopuli.xyz
        2·
        11 months ago

        MacOS has no proper UI scaling for example. Something windows had for… I don’t know, ever? It was never an issue for me.

        For MacOS you need a little extra tool you stumble upon after hours of debugging that teels your MacOS what resolutions your display actually supports so MacOS grants you the option of your desired HiDPI resolution.

        It’s stuff like this that drives me mad when dealing with the fucking Mac I am forced to use at work.

        • Syldon@feddit.ukEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          There is always going to be pros and cons when it comes to UI. Since Mac comes with a set size monitor, I can understand why there is little support for it. Although, as someone who needs PC glasses, it is a big remiss to not cater for disabilities.

  • BReel@lemmy.one
    635·
    11 months ago

    At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.

    I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.

    Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    7113·
    11 months ago

    Lol, is this meme for real? Most mac users would never touch Linux. Like, yes, they are both based on Unix… But come on now, this is just intellectually dishonest.

    Most Mac users, in my experience, have no idea how to operate anything without an apple logo on it.

    • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
      26·
      11 months ago

      Linux users are in the (well constructed) tent camp in the local park that Mac users ride their electric scooters past while desperately trying to avoid eye contact.

      • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
        302·
        11 months ago

        Linux users are the homeowners who build and fix everything they can, but look down on people that don’t find craftsmanship fun, claiming that they’re saving money by doing the work themselves. Good on you for having that hobby, but if you don’t enjoy it, spending time to learn those skills costs time that could be spent earning more money than you’d save. Paying an expert to do things you don’t enjoy is usually the cheaper option. They can be found almost anywhere, similar to how Linux users use Apple or windows products from time to time.

        Mac users are suburb dwellers who view their way of life as what everyone should aspire to, ignorant to the downsides of sprawl and reliance on cars to go anywhere. Commute times suck, while walkable neighborhoods with public transit make most people healthier and happier. There’s an important classist component, often bundled with racism, that underscores this ideal.

        Windows users are people that live in urban areas for work, trying to find reasonable rent or home prices as unchecked capitalism makes everything worse, but unaware why things suck. They get annoyed when people share their passion for handiwork, and dislike suburban folks for thinking they’re superior rather than the downsides to suburban life. However, because most people live this way, and live this way for work, they usually don’t have strong identities like suburbanites or handy homeowners.

        Homeless people are those who can’t afford computers, overlapping with actual homeless people, and rural people are those that don’t use computers more than they need to, socializing face to face and literally touching grass.

    • storcholus@feddit.de
      11·
      11 months ago

      I think it still works. The user you describe doesn’t care about Linux, they just don’t like windows. So they would not wash their hands

    • LittleHermiT@lemmus.org
      English
      74·
      11 months ago

      A lot of software development in a corporate environment is using a Mac as the host. Not to say it’s the target build env. So id say some Mac users know Linux far better than you think. In my experience.

      • kamenLady.@lemmy.world
        3·
        11 months ago

        Some, that’s the point

        Where i work, we all use macs. I’m the only developer and all others are designers.

        They all look at me very oddly, when i open a terminal on their Mac and change some settings from there. They check if my changes are working and still keep that look, like if I’ve done something strange to their mac lol

    • LittleHermiT@lemmus.org
      English
      1·
      11 months ago

      My Mac is such a slow piece of shit on Mac OS that it’s nearly unusable without installing Linux.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
      1·
      11 months ago

      Generally I agree, but specifically a little fact - the most qualified person at my work is a Mac user.

  • merc@sh.itjust.works
    41·
    11 months ago

    MacOS is still Unix under the hood, and has been since they adapted NeXTSTEP.

    Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.

    But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS, where everything would grind to a halt if you clicked and held the mouse button.

    • Free Palestine 🇵🇸@sh.itjust.works
      15·
      11 months ago

      Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.

      I absolutely agree

      But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS

      Or some weird old Unixes like AIX

        • cygnus@lemmy.ca
          6·
          11 months ago

          I think Unices would be correct, if it works like “appendix” etc…

          • dukk@programming.dev
            9·
            11 months ago

            Or it could be “Unixes”, as in “prefixes”, or “crucifixes”.

            English is a weird language.

            • merc@sh.itjust.works
              4·
              11 months ago

              Yeah, apparently you need to know the origin of the word to know how to pluralize it.

              One octopus, two octopuses. But you can also say “octopodes” because the elements used to create the word are originally Greek (okto for 8, pous for foot), and that’s how Greek words get pluralized. But, although it was based on Greek elements it was never used in Ancient Greek. It was a modern Latin word, created in the 1700s as a scientific term using those Greek elements. As a Latin word, the “us” ending should be pluralized with “i”, so “octopi” (which is one of the oldest known pluralizations of the word). But, it’s an English word, and the proper way to pluralize an English word ending in “us” is to tack on “es”.

              So, you can go with “octopodes”, “octopi” or “octopuses” and have an argument why any of them is correct.

              For Unix, since it’s a word created in English, it’s probably “unixes”. To claim it’s “unices” you’d have to pretend that “unix” is a Latin word, which it isn’t, and never was, but “ix” is a common declension pattern in Latin, and an uncommon ending in English, so it’s fun to pretend it’s a Latin word and doesn’t get pluralized normally.

    • ancap shark@lemmy.today
      171·
      11 months ago

      I use linux for programming and learn to enjoy everything being 3x harder than needed (Stockholm’s syndrome), but it’s not like it’s good

      I use Windows for gaming (I could use linux to do it, but windows is easier), but it’s not like it’s any good

      I won’t be paying whatever 4 months worth of my income on a MacBook, so it’s not like it matters if macOS is any good

      • Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        11 months ago

        4 months worth of my income on a MacBook

        Is it bad that I can’t tell if you’re middle income or just want enough RAM to do something useful?

        • ancap shark@lemmy.today
          8·
          11 months ago

          I can’t tell if you’re middle income

          I’m from Brazil. I didn’t know this term, but quick googling shows me that Brazil is an upper-middle-income country.

          I make around R$ 3620 ($740 USD) per month, a more than average income in Brazil. A MacBook Air M2 15" comes for R$ 15000 ($3069 USD).

        • vivadanang@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          I just vomit at the idea that they’re making these laptops with ram soldered in. unupgradable garbage you have to pay ridiculous premiums for.

            • vivadanang@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              11 months ago

              I get that they’re using some fancy mem, it’s not like pc1600 dimms or some shit… BUT not ever being able to yank the old and pop in new? bonkers.

            • Scrollone@feddit.it
              2·
              11 months ago

              Nowadays you can use Expo, if you want to use React Native. They take care of everything, so a Mac isn’t needed anymore

              • sheogorath@lemmy.world
                3·
                11 months ago

                If your app needs a lot of native modules Expo simply doesn’t cut it. Developing iOS apps without running an iOS simulator is a lot of pain. In my early days of development my team actually tried this. There are too many quirks for each major mobile OS (Android & iOS) that makes it a lot of pain during testing if you don’t at least try to run it on the simulator.

  • parascent@lemmy.world
    365·
    11 months ago

    Sorry but as a Linux user I found that Windows is better than macos. Macos doesn’t even have proper window management.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
      2·
      11 months ago

      My experience is the same, but still it’s a Unix-like system. People who fear Linux may do Unix-like things with it. It’s worth something.

      • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it’s really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn’t all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
          11·
          11 months ago

          Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms,

          Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.

          but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew

          You can’t do much without a package manager under Linux either.

          Homebrew, macports, pkgsrc etc are all just ports collections, like the FreeBSD one. A pretty Unixy kind of thing to use, more so than apt or yum.

          I hate Apple GUI, but technically it’s almost as good as Linux to use.

          • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.

            You don’t understand what I mean.

            I mean that you can’t really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.

            MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.

            So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.

            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
              11·
              11 months ago

              You don’t understand what I mean.

              Well, you haven’t been very specific with your language.

              All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.

              It’s been some time since I touched MacOS, but there is a CLI tool for editing those preferences. Not unlike gconf. Actually gconf is apparently inspired by that and the Windows registry you so conveniently mentioned.

              Not that I’m a fan, quite the opposite.

              MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.

              “Unix principles” is the same as “Unix philosophy”, while you apparently mean Linux FHS. Yes, it’s understandably ignored. Yes, maybe it shouldn’t be.

              So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.

              Well, see, comparing FreeBSD to Linux with its development path, for example, you might feel as if Linux was slowly moving in that direction as well. Linux users usually laugh at that sentiment and say that it’s evolution. So - MacOS too has what its developers considered evolution from what Linux/FreeBSD/… have.

              Ah, also X11 is not that integral and traditional for Unix, if you imply that as well. Sun had its SunView in the olden days. There were other windowing systems.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
          01·
          9 months ago

          Certification is irrelevant really. There are Linux distribution releases which have been certified, just like MacOS.

            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
              1·
              9 months ago

              It would appear then that no MacOS before 14.0 Sonoma is a certified Unix. Which is obviously false. Which means that your implication that this page lists everything certified is wrong.

              I said “releases”, because these were specific versions a few years ago. Perhaps nothing relevant today was certified, still what I remember is not that different from the mundane Red Hat of the same year.

              Which is all useless talk cause when we say Unix as something important, we mean “genetic Unix”, as in something of being derived from the same code base, culture, philosophy, etc, not “legal Unix” as a trademark, because that’s not the only cool-looking word one can imagine to name an OS.

              So obviously BSDs are real Unix then, Linux is something weird and MacOS is bullshit.

  • lseif@sopuli.xyz
    233·
    11 months ago

    in my opinion:

    software: mac/osx >> windows

    community/environment: windows/microsoft >> mac/apple

    if we’re solely talking about how good the os is, i would have to say mac. but considering everything else, i would prefer windows

  • spudwart@spudwart.comEnglish
    181·
    11 months ago

    As both a MacOS and Linux user I agree with myself on the regular that Windows is shit.

    I also wash my hands on the regular.

    Great meme, very accurate.

  • Kedly@lemm.ee
    2410·
    11 months ago

    I cant wait to fully abandon windows with my next tower (Already on Linux with my deck) but MacOS is FAR MORE cancer than M$, part of the issue with M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple

    2 edits: I think someone replied to this and then blocked me (or someone I’ve blocked replied to me somehow) as apparently theres a response to this but I cant see it nor have I been notified

    And

    Damn, a lot of you apparently want a mega corp have complete control over what what your operating system looks like/does/what accessories you can buy for it if you think Apple is in anyway better than Microsoft. I thought the whole point of jumping to linux was freedom, you have LESS freedom with macs than with PC’s

    • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      11 months ago

      M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple

      Apple has adverts in macos somehow, but I’m not sure what it means since I’ve never seen ads in there. Perhaps they’re in app store or safari or something, but I don’t use either, so I don’t know.

      Windows on the other hand pumps ads on you right at first boot on desktop. I’m sure it’s possible to turn them off somehow, but I usually choose to turn them off by installing Linux.

  • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    112·
    11 months ago

    I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I’d rather give myself the bullet (which doesn’t mean much tbh). At least I can ameliorate Windows for my VMs (in case of apps not working on Wine) which makes it ok to use

    I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to “Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded”

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    102·
    11 months ago

    Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      173·
      11 months ago

      And have actual control over the OS.

      Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.

      Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        84·
        11 months ago

        What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.

        Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.

      • stufkes@lemmy.world
        4·
        11 months ago

        This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It’s good that people that like it can use it. It’s bad that I don’t have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn’t that it lacks Unix features, it’s everything else.