There’s a difference between protecting yourself from a parasite species which spreads deadly diseases and torturing an intelligent being for no reason. Happy animals taste better, you know.
You were so close, and then fumbled at the last sentence. It doesn’t matter what they taste like, you’re literally just describing torturing them for fun with different words.
I don’t feel 100% confident in the idea that everyone can be vegan. I do encourage everyone to consume as little animal products as is realistic for them, but not everyone is interested in doing so. If the pig has to die I would rather it live a happy life than for it to sit in cramped conditions or a solitary cell with no physical or mental stimulation.
What I mean is that I don’t have any control over whether it dies. People want to eat it, and they are not amenable to the idea they shouldn’t. But they are amenable to the idea that it shouldn’t be tortured beforehand. Reduction of harm is always good even if it’s not perfect.
I also said I’m not sure that it’s possible for everyone to live healthfully without consuming some animal products. I personally haven’t been able to maintain a vegan diet for longer than two months any of the many times I’ve tried, so I’m not in a position to lecture anyone on what they eat.
Overall, I think a baby steps approach is the most realistically achievable path to a potential future of zero harm. (I don’t say vegan here because I don’t object to symbiotic forms of exploitation such as pet ownership or beekeeping.)
FYI, the user you’re arguing with is a <1d account that has only posted in this thread. I appreciate the effort you’re putting in, for those of us who have a very limited palette of what their body will tolerate. But don’t wear yourself out on an ableist troll.
Meats and cheese are like 10 things. There are thousands of edible plants and fungi to choose from. In the overwhelming majority of cases, this sort of argument is just a lazy rationalization so people can avoid grappling with the consequences of their actions.
It is similarly not ableist to condemn kidnapping people to forcibly harvest their organs for transplants.
They don’t necessarily need to be trolling. I completely understand the passion and don’t exactly disagree with them. Most people aren’t consuming meat as a necessary evil; they’re often consuming it in excess because it’s enjoyable, even when they already understand the horrors of factory farming. It’s upsetting and frustrating and I just want to do what I think is most likely to improve the situation.
There’s a difference between protecting yourself from a parasite species which spreads deadly diseases and torturing an intelligent being for no reason. Happy animals taste better, you know.
You were so close, and then fumbled at the last sentence. It doesn’t matter what they taste like, you’re literally just describing torturing them for fun with different words.
I don’t feel 100% confident in the idea that everyone can be vegan. I do encourage everyone to consume as little animal products as is realistic for them, but not everyone is interested in doing so. If the pig has to die I would rather it live a happy life than for it to sit in cramped conditions or a solitary cell with no physical or mental stimulation.
But it doesn’t. Why assume killing animals for pleasure must be done?
What I mean is that I don’t have any control over whether it dies. People want to eat it, and they are not amenable to the idea they shouldn’t. But they are amenable to the idea that it shouldn’t be tortured beforehand. Reduction of harm is always good even if it’s not perfect.
I also said I’m not sure that it’s possible for everyone to live healthfully without consuming some animal products. I personally haven’t been able to maintain a vegan diet for longer than two months any of the many times I’ve tried, so I’m not in a position to lecture anyone on what they eat.
Overall, I think a baby steps approach is the most realistically achievable path to a potential future of zero harm. (I don’t say vegan here because I don’t object to symbiotic forms of exploitation such as pet ownership or beekeeping.)
FYI, the user you’re arguing with is a <1d account that has only posted in this thread. I appreciate the effort you’re putting in, for those of us who have a very limited palette of what their body will tolerate. But don’t wear yourself out on an ableist troll.
Meats and cheese are like 10 things. There are thousands of edible plants and fungi to choose from. In the overwhelming majority of cases, this sort of argument is just a lazy rationalization so people can avoid grappling with the consequences of their actions.
It is similarly not ableist to condemn kidnapping people to forcibly harvest their organs for transplants.
They don’t necessarily need to be trolling. I completely understand the passion and don’t exactly disagree with them. Most people aren’t consuming meat as a necessary evil; they’re often consuming it in excess because it’s enjoyable, even when they already understand the horrors of factory farming. It’s upsetting and frustrating and I just want to do what I think is most likely to improve the situation.
Damn that’s crazy, I don’t see anything to indicate that anybody asked. Lemmy must be having some federating issues.
Had me until the last sentence.
No animal deserves to die when humans can get all of their nutrition from fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, legumes, and algae.
Except for B12. But then again, most omnivores are deficient in B12 too, and magnesium, zing, K2, etc.
Thankfully going vegan likely means you eat last processed food and more real food, which increases vitamin intake.