I think ones that are also fascist, or even just authoritarian do…
Like, I don’t think nuclear energy is bad just because we can build nuclear bombs with the same technology.
We’ve “beat” evolution, we have zero evolutionary pressure right now. And because most mutations are detrimental and very very few actually beneficial, everything goes downhill relatively quickly.
Like, you know the result of no evolutionary pressure is the Dodo, right?
And even if humans hadn’t shown up, any know and of predator showing up would have had the same result, and realistically was a matter of when not if.
Like, were really not that far off from humans not even carrying their own children in an evolutionary timescale. Genetic screenings are already a thing for IVF…
If done properly it’s not taking anyone’s rights away, it’s preventive measures to prevent lifelong incurable conditions.
Like, I know it’s tough, but can you try to actually type your thoughts out? I’m going to get tired of this kind and of exchange very quickly.
But you really don’t seem to know what that word means, and unfortunately it’s important enough these days I want to try and help.
But that not what a eugeniist is or what they believe in…
It’s just the betterment of the human genome. Saying every eugenicist was like the Nazis is like saying every communist is like Stalin.
What’s ridiculous about it, is every human is a eugenist on a personal level. Every time you feel attracted to someone, it’s because you think mixing your genes with theirs would improve your offsprings genes.
Like, I know I’ve said this a couple times, but you just fundamentally don’t understand the meaning of the words your using, and I’m starting to understand why you’ve never learned…
What you’re talking about, with using IVF to reduce the chances of genetic conditions, is called prenatal screening. And while it relies on genomics, and even borrows some concepts from Eugenics, it is not Eugenics, at least as far as most people understand and use that term. Eugenics is widely understood to be the pseudo-scientific shield fascists frequently hide behind to justify bigotry, forced sterilization, genocide, and other atrocities. You may think this is just a semantic argument over an umbrella term that can cover anything to do with improving the human genome, but modern geneticists are very careful to disassociate anything they do with the term “Eugenics”, due to the authoritarian implications it carries.
So you think the government should have no laws about reporduction?
If a father wants to reproduce with his own daughters, assuming he waits till they’re 18, you’re cool with that?
Any law against inbreeding is eugenics after all, and your pretty clear that because someone corrupted it, the baby has to go out with the bathwater.
Like, you realize on a long enough timescale, all you’re arguing for is the repeated and continual renaming of every system after someone abuses, which only leads to a general populace ignorant of history and that any system can be abused.
You think this is just me being pedantic, but word choice literally shapes how we think.
It matters more than you think it does.
And what you’re arguing for is literally why so many ericans are against socialism.
That’s the ironic part, you’re method is easily and recently disproven. But likely due to that very train.of logic you don’t understand it.
It’s like a blind man arguing everyone should be blind be cause he never sees anything scary, ignorant that if everyone was blind we’d all be fucked
My guy, you wanna stop putting words in my mouth and have an honest, productive discussion, I’m all for it. Otherwise, don’t bother replying.
Also, pay attention to usernames when replying. That was my first comment in this chain, but I have a feeling you thought you were replying to someone you’d already been talking to.
You think eugenicists didn’t take people’s rights away?!?
I think ones that are also fascist, or even just authoritarian do…
Like, I don’t think nuclear energy is bad just because we can build nuclear bombs with the same technology.
We’ve “beat” evolution, we have zero evolutionary pressure right now. And because most mutations are detrimental and very very few actually beneficial, everything goes downhill relatively quickly.
Like, you know the result of no evolutionary pressure is the Dodo, right?
And even if humans hadn’t shown up, any know and of predator showing up would have had the same result, and realistically was a matter of when not if.
Like, were really not that far off from humans not even carrying their own children in an evolutionary timescale. Genetic screenings are already a thing for IVF…
If done properly it’s not taking anyone’s rights away, it’s preventive measures to prevent lifelong incurable conditions.
Like, I know it’s tough, but can you try to actually type your thoughts out? I’m going to get tired of this kind and of exchange very quickly.
But you really don’t seem to know what that word means, and unfortunately it’s important enough these days I want to try and help.
We should not forcibly sterilize people, or murder those that are deemed inferior.
Agreed.
But that not what a eugeniist is or what they believe in…
It’s just the betterment of the human genome. Saying every eugenicist was like the Nazis is like saying every communist is like Stalin.
What’s ridiculous about it, is every human is a eugenist on a personal level. Every time you feel attracted to someone, it’s because you think mixing your genes with theirs would improve your offsprings genes.
Like, I know I’ve said this a couple times, but you just fundamentally don’t understand the meaning of the words your using, and I’m starting to understand why you’ve never learned…
Nobody is superior to others. We are all equal.
Imagine the deep dark hole you had to climb out of to write that and genuinely stand by your demented conviction.
Get help.
So…
If a couple both are carriers for a serious and lifelong medical condition, but they really want kids.
If they used IVF to make sure their kids don’t have either copies of that gene…
To you, that’s the same as killing the couple?
Because both methods is eugenics.
Just one is fucking horrible and one ensures future generations don’t suffer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
What you’re talking about, with using IVF to reduce the chances of genetic conditions, is called prenatal screening. And while it relies on genomics, and even borrows some concepts from Eugenics, it is not Eugenics, at least as far as most people understand and use that term. Eugenics is widely understood to be the pseudo-scientific shield fascists frequently hide behind to justify bigotry, forced sterilization, genocide, and other atrocities. You may think this is just a semantic argument over an umbrella term that can cover anything to do with improving the human genome, but modern geneticists are very careful to disassociate anything they do with the term “Eugenics”, due to the authoritarian implications it carries.
So you think the government should have no laws about reporduction?
If a father wants to reproduce with his own daughters, assuming he waits till they’re 18, you’re cool with that?
Any law against inbreeding is eugenics after all, and your pretty clear that because someone corrupted it, the baby has to go out with the bathwater.
Like, you realize on a long enough timescale, all you’re arguing for is the repeated and continual renaming of every system after someone abuses, which only leads to a general populace ignorant of history and that any system can be abused.
You think this is just me being pedantic, but word choice literally shapes how we think.
It matters more than you think it does.
And what you’re arguing for is literally why so many ericans are against socialism.
That’s the ironic part, you’re method is easily and recently disproven. But likely due to that very train.of logic you don’t understand it.
It’s like a blind man arguing everyone should be blind be cause he never sees anything scary, ignorant that if everyone was blind we’d all be fucked
My guy, you wanna stop putting words in my mouth and have an honest, productive discussion, I’m all for it. Otherwise, don’t bother replying.
Also, pay attention to usernames when replying. That was my first comment in this chain, but I have a feeling you thought you were replying to someone you’d already been talking to.