Fascism has been riddling the country since its inception. It’s been endemic since Reagan.
The difference between Harris and Trump is that, under Trump, liberals lost all the insulation between Red and Blue states. Now you can’t just say “Haha, fuck Texas, you get what you voted for” at everyone in Houston and Dallas, then go back to brunch. The Greg Abbott Gestapo can walk right across the border and snatch people in California and Chicago, too.
The USA was a huge fucking upgrade from the colonial america, and it only improved ever since with various expansions to voting access and civil rights.
The USA was a huge fucking upgrade from the colonial america
Tell that to the Cherokee and the Apache. Hell, tell it to the Pennsylvania and New York Dutch or the newly arrived Irish, who were constantly rioting against oppressive regimes run out of Dixie.
it only improved
I can point to a fair number of sharp downturns and ugly social upheavals, both before and after the Lincoln Era. To say the US “only improved”, you need some really big blinders on all through the 19th century.
If you think the Cherokee and Apache or the hundreds of other sovereign tribes only started seeing hostility in 1776 then I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.
Jefferson explicitly states that English military denying American settlers right to advance west into the Ohio River Valley was a reason for independence.
This was also the reason for former English Loyalist and F&IW veteran, George Washington, to join the American rebellion.
The restrictions accompanying the Royal Proclamation of 1763 prevented investors from gaining the necessary titles to secure their land claims. The Royal Proclamation was more successful in its ability to restrict the aims of private, Virginia-based land companies and their investors who sought to capitalize on the sale of lands in the Ohio Valley. As a member of the Virginia gentry, a patron of numerous land companies, and an established surveyor, the boundary line profoundly affected George Washington. Washington deemed the Royal Proclamation’s controls on trade and migration discriminatory against colonials seeking to alleviate personal debts through profitable landholdings, particularly veterans of the Seven Years’ War. As many of Washington’s counterparts shared these views, the Proclamation Line of 1763 was significant in that it marked the beginning of a clear ideological break with the mother country. These opinions prompted Washington to petition the Virginia government to release tracts of land that had been promised to veterans, while joining with other Virginia speculators in lobbying the Crown to push the border further west. Washington’s ventures proved successful with the 1768 Treaties of Fort Stanwix and Hard Labour, and again in 1770 with the Treaty of Lochaber.
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I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.
The English only momentarily stopping, in order to restrict the growing power and authority of companies in the new world, a brutal campaign of open warfare and enslavement of the mainland natives does not excuse the 170 years prior.
Who is holding this up as an excuse? You’re arguing the settlers who would shoot a British Officer purely for the privilege of shooting the American Native standing behind him are somehow providing these native peoples a social benefit.
I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.
The native standing behind the british officer, you’re demented for believing such garbage. Manifest Destiny would have prevailed regardless of the Colonies subservience to the crown.
Autboritarian regimes are a much crueler and worse form of government.
you can make lots of things look good by comparing it to genocide and chattel slavery. still, fascism has been a part of USA forever. this includes genocide, settler colonialism, chattel slavery, apartheid, constant wars, systemic racism… the US has played all the hits. has actually inspired hitler himself. that’s an achievement.
i like the part where, in response to some states rigging their elections…apparently the the only possible measure to fix that under our government is to…rig elections even further?
shit guys…maybe this constitution of ours just kinda sucks, and we should wipe our asses with it and make a new one instead.
How tf are you going to destroy the USA and make a newer fairer constitution when the other two top military world powers have a vested interest in fucking you over at every step of the process?
i don’t know if your founding fathers were idealistic or dumb but as a group who supposedly trying to free the people (not slaves but don’t worry about it) from tyranny, they certainly left too much to the honor system.
“the president shall be bound by law, you know, unless he doesn’t want to” is indeed a naive attempt to limit presidential power.
Me and my gay black muslim friend were at the NoKings protest the other day waving a flag and listening to the tribal council guest speaker, really great time all around.
Fascism has been riddling the country since its inception. It’s been endemic since Reagan.
The difference between Harris and Trump is that, under Trump, liberals lost all the insulation between Red and Blue states. Now you can’t just say “Haha, fuck Texas, you get what you voted for” at everyone in Houston and Dallas, then go back to brunch. The Greg Abbott Gestapo can walk right across the border and snatch people in California and Chicago, too.
The USA was a huge fucking upgrade from the colonial america, and it only improved ever since with various expansions to voting access and civil rights.
Tell that to the Cherokee and the Apache. Hell, tell it to the Pennsylvania and New York Dutch or the newly arrived Irish, who were constantly rioting against oppressive regimes run out of Dixie.
I can point to a fair number of sharp downturns and ugly social upheavals, both before and after the Lincoln Era. To say the US “only improved”, you need some really big blinders on all through the 19th century.
If you think the Cherokee and Apache or the hundreds of other sovereign tribes only started seeing hostility in 1776 then I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.
Jefferson explicitly states that English military denying American settlers right to advance west into the Ohio River Valley was a reason for independence.
He was referring to the Proclamation Line of 1763.
This was also the reason for former English Loyalist and F&IW veteran, George Washington, to join the American rebellion.
:-/
I guess the Know-Nothing Party never really died.
The English only momentarily stopping, in order to restrict the growing power and authority of companies in the new world, a brutal campaign of open warfare and enslavement of the mainland natives does not excuse the 170 years prior.
Historically inaccurate.
Who is holding this up as an excuse? You’re arguing the settlers who would shoot a British Officer purely for the privilege of shooting the American Native standing behind him are somehow providing these native peoples a social benefit.
I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.
The native standing behind the british officer, you’re demented for believing such garbage. Manifest Destiny would have prevailed regardless of the Colonies subservience to the crown.
Autboritarian regimes are a much crueler and worse form of government.
you can make lots of things look good by comparing it to genocide and chattel slavery. still, fascism has been a part of USA forever. this includes genocide, settler colonialism, chattel slavery, apartheid, constant wars, systemic racism… the US has played all the hits. has actually inspired hitler himself. that’s an achievement.
i like the part where, in response to some states rigging their elections…apparently the the only possible measure to fix that under our government is to…rig elections even further?
shit guys…maybe this constitution of ours just kinda sucks, and we should wipe our asses with it and make a new one instead.
How tf are you going to destroy the USA and make a newer fairer constitution when the other two top military world powers have a vested interest in fucking you over at every step of the process?
i don’t know if your founding fathers were idealistic or dumb but as a group who supposedly trying to free the people (not slaves but don’t worry about it) from tyranny, they certainly left too much to the honor system.
“the president shall be bound by law, you know, unless he doesn’t want to” is indeed a naive attempt to limit presidential power.
From its very inception the USA has been progressive and free.
unless you’re a native, or black, or LGBT+, or Latino, or Muslim, or…
Me and my gay black muslim friend were at the NoKings protest the other day waving a flag and listening to the tribal council guest speaker, really great time all around.
and Mahmoud Khalil was kidnapped and imprisoned for saying brown people are human beings. that sounds like a great time too.
You’ve successfully illustrated my point: fascism is coming here now when it wasn’t here before.
I assume you weren’t born or conscious in the early 2000s