• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    The USA was a huge fucking upgrade from the colonial america

    Tell that to the Cherokee and the Apache. Hell, tell it to the Pennsylvania and New York Dutch or the newly arrived Irish, who were constantly rioting against oppressive regimes run out of Dixie.

    it only improved

    I can point to a fair number of sharp downturns and ugly social upheavals, both before and after the Lincoln Era. To say the US “only improved”, you need some really big blinders on all through the 19th century.

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      6 hours ago

      If you think the Cherokee and Apache or the hundreds of other sovereign tribes only started seeing hostility in 1776 then I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.

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        5 hours ago

        Jefferson explicitly states that English military denying American settlers right to advance west into the Ohio River Valley was a reason for independence.

        He was referring to the Proclamation Line of 1763.

        This was also the reason for former English Loyalist and F&IW veteran, George Washington, to join the American rebellion.

        The restrictions accompanying the Royal Proclamation of 1763 prevented investors from gaining the necessary titles to secure their land claims. The Royal Proclamation was more successful in its ability to restrict the aims of private, Virginia-based land companies and their investors who sought to capitalize on the sale of lands in the Ohio Valley. As a member of the Virginia gentry, a patron of numerous land companies, and an established surveyor, the boundary line profoundly affected George Washington. Washington deemed the Royal Proclamation’s controls on trade and migration discriminatory against colonials seeking to alleviate personal debts through profitable landholdings, particularly veterans of the Seven Years’ War. As many of Washington’s counterparts shared these views, the Proclamation Line of 1763 was significant in that it marked the beginning of a clear ideological break with the mother country. These opinions prompted Washington to petition the Virginia government to release tracts of land that had been promised to veterans, while joining with other Virginia speculators in lobbying the Crown to push the border further west. Washington’s ventures proved successful with the 1768 Treaties of Fort Stanwix and Hard Labour, and again in 1770 with the Treaty of Lochaber.

        :-/

        I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.

        I guess the Know-Nothing Party never really died.

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          5 hours ago

          The English only momentarily stopping, in order to restrict the growing power and authority of companies in the new world, a brutal campaign of open warfare and enslavement of the mainland natives does not excuse the 170 years prior.

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            The English only momentarily stopping

            Historically inaccurate.

            does not excuse the 170 years prior

            Who is holding this up as an excuse? You’re arguing the settlers who would shoot a British Officer purely for the privilege of shooting the American Native standing behind him are somehow providing these native peoples a social benefit.

            I don’t think you’re a rational person worth arguing with.

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              48 minutes ago

              The native standing behind the british officer, you’re demented for believing such garbage. Manifest Destiny would have prevailed regardless of the Colonies subservience to the crown.

              Autboritarian regimes are a much crueler and worse form of government.