• the_q@lemmy.zip
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    Wait I thought I was supposed to hate this guy cause he’s a Nazi? Is that the lie? Or is the lie that he’s not a Nazi? I can’t wait to be dead.

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      You don’t have to die! The article is right there to read. The lie is that he is a Nazi, the article has a bunch more explanation, but basically, there’s no reason to think he is a Nazi and several compelling ones to think he is not (which the people who are doing the freakout about the tattoo are willfully ignoring).

      People aren’t actually saying he’s a Nazi. Well, most of them aren’t, some are. Most of them are just saying he has a Nazi-adjacent tattoo (which he does) and it’s a HUGE problem (which, given his politics, it isn’t.) They are carefully staying away from the question of whether the death’s-head tattoo actually means he’s a Nazi, because it has an answer which isn’t the answer they want to portray.

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        The totenkopf isn’t Nazi “adjacent” though, it’s literally the symbol from the “are we the bad guys?” sketch.

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          Yes, and the swastikas covering Hindu temples are literally the symbol from the Nazi flag. That doesn’t mean they’re covered in “Nazi symbols,” though. The context and intent matters.

          You need to talk to all the people who are suddenly yelling about how this is obviously a Democratic Schumer-inspired hit job against this noble progressive, and justify to them why you are spreading establishment-Democrat talking points.

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            Uhuh. So what is the non-Nazi context for the Totenkopf; a symbol that, unlike the swastika, doesn’t have a pre-existing history.

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                Yes, the prevalence of Nazi imagery by Ukrainian paramilitary organisations is pretty awkward

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                  Extra fun when in item linked to prove the nazi symbol has other meanings.

                  Is also extremely sad how people are now trying to argue it’s the word people have issues with not you know, the very very specific symbols used by the SS that just happened to be on candidates body that also usa military was fine ignoring

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                  This article is about the military symbol. For other uses…

                  Edit: Wait, I linked to English Wikipedia. Is this Chewbacca defense? I think this is Chewbacca defense.

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                    he’s saying that Totenkopf is a German word and you linked to the Wikipedia article for this German word, not that you linked to the German Wikipedia

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                    Oh in that case

                    In the early days of the Nazi Party, Julius Schreck, the leader of the Stabswache (Adolf Hitler’s bodyguard unit), resurrected the use of the Totenkopf as the unit’s insignia. This unit grew into the Schutzstaffel (SS), which continued to use the Totenkopf as insignia throughout its history. According to a writing by Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, the Totenkopf had the following meaning:

                    The Skull is the reminder that you shall always be willing to put your self at stake for the life of the whole community.[11]
                    

                    SS-Totenkopfverbände (‘Death’s Head Units’) was the Schutzstaffel (SS) organization responsible for administering the Nazi concentration camps and extermination camps for Nazi Germany, among similar duties. While the Totenkopf was the universal cap badge of the SS, the SS-TV also wore this insignia on the right collar tab to distinguish itself from other SS formations.

                    The Totenkopf was also used as the unit insignia of the Panzer forces of the German Heer (Army), and also by the Panzer units of the Luftwaffe, including those of the elite Fallschirm-Panzer Division 1 Hermann Göring.[12]

                    Both the 3rd SS Panzer Division of the Waffen-SS, and the World War II era Luftwaffe’s 54th Bomber Wing Kampfgeschwader 54 were given the unit name “Totenkopf”, and used a strikingly similar-looking graphic skull-crossbones insignia as the SS units of the same name. The 3rd SS Panzer Division also had skull patches on their uniform collars instead of the SS sieg rune.[citation needed]