We read Graham Platner’s whole Reddit archive. The vilification of the Maine candidate for Senate doesn’t square with what he actually wrote in his posts.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the “confirmation,” it’s fucking wild lol
“He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck’s sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!” I’m only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there…
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy “little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU’D SAY AND SO I WIN!” It’s so fuckin’ bizarre… in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we’d be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can’t. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that’s only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I’ve possibly only seen in that one “are we the baddies” skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn’t anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who’s really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn’t being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he’s some secret Nazi, and if he’s not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It’s not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I’ve said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn’t actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn’t even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He’s just… kind of “marking time,” it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts “Platner” and “Nazi” vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it’s fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It’s telling that in this new oppo campaign they’re pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he’s both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren’t remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn’t to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there’s a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don’t have to “summarize” things that didn’t happen if you’ve got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn’t ever the purpose.
Still lying I see.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the “confirmation,” it’s fucking wild lol
“He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck’s sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!” I’m only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there…
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy “little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU’D SAY AND SO I WIN!” It’s so fuckin’ bizarre… in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we’d be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can’t. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that’s only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I’ve possibly only seen in that one “are we the baddies” skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn’t anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who’s really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn’t being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he’s some secret Nazi, and if he’s not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It’s not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I’ve said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn’t actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn’t even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He’s just… kind of “marking time,” it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts “Platner” and “Nazi” vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it’s fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It’s telling that in this new oppo campaign they’re pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he’s both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren’t remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn’t to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there’s a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don’t have to “summarize” things that didn’t happen if you’ve got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn’t ever the purpose.