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Talking to people who think in individualism feels like different languages at times, stuck talking past each other. Or at least, I think that may be the cause. It can go a little something like:
Me: something something systemic issues
Them: okay, but like, you have to do what you can with what you have
Me: I know, I understand you have to work with the circumstances in front of you, I’m just saying, systemic issues though
Them: but you have to do what you can with what you have
I don’t know if there’s anything I can say differently in this kind of situation to bridge the gap, or if it’s just a fundamental difference in worldview.
They might see it as complaining about something beyond your control, because the average liberal doesn’t even consider doing anything beyond voting or maybe protesting (although if you suggest organized action, they’d likely just claim that it’s unrealistic)
That’s a fair point, thanks for your thoughts on it. I have wondered if it’s in that realm of things, but this crystallizes it more I think. Like because they don’t see it as realistic to force the world to change (or are too fundamentally icked out by the idea of collective force), they fall back on changing themselves as the only solution to anything? (Well, changing themselves and maybe trying to influence a few people in their circle, but that’s about it.) That seems plausible for sure.