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Experts have expressed fears that the Chinese government plans to increase the forced “harvesting” of human organs from people in Xinjiang, home to a large Turkic Muslim population.
The concerns follow the announcement by the Xinjiang Health Commission late last year that it was going to develop six new organ transplant institutions in the region in the period to 2030, among other measures aimed at expanding transplant services.
Xinjiang is a large area in northwest China where the Beijing government has been operating a campaign of oppression against the indigenous population of Uyghur and other Turkic people since 2014.
The United Nations has said the campaign, which includes a vast network of camps, involves serious human rights violations that may amount to crimes against humanity. “The announcement raises concerns about the ongoing procurement of organs through human rights abuses in Xinjiang, because there is no obvious reason why the new facilities are needed,” said Wendy Rogers, professor of clinical ethics at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia.
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Enver Tohti [a former surgeon in Xinjiang who now lives in London] said he believes the Chinese authorities are expanding their organ transplant facilities throughout China, and not just in Xinjiang. “Xinjiang is just part of a wider picture,” he said.
He believes the Chinese authorities began to collect biological data from people in Xinjiang in 2016 with a view to building a database that could be searched for matches when organs were needed for transplant operations. “People in inner China just disappear,” he said.
“Maybe they are accused of a crime and sent to prison. In Xinjiang, they simply take the person – say they are a terrorist.” In China, “if you are declared an enemy of the state, then an enemy is not a human being.”
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Recently, at a military parade in Beijing, the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, was caught on mic discussing organ transplants with his counterpart from Russia, Vladimir Putin.
“Biotechnology is continuously developing,” Putin’s interpreter was recorded saying in Chinese to Xi. “Human organs can be continuously transplanted. The longer you live, the younger you become, and [you can] even achieve immortality.”
Xi could be heard responding in Chinese: “Some predict that in this century humans may live to 150 years old.”
Tohti said: “They are talking about organ harvesting. Organ transplanting in China is organ harvesting. They are not taking organs from volunteers. Every organ transplant is part of harvesting.”
In December 2014, Chinese State media reported that China was to stop using organs from executed prisoners in transplant operations. However, Tohti said such statements are just optics. “The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) never keeps its promises. They make laws to show to outsiders. They make a constitution to show to outsiders. Inside the country, it is completely different.”
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the claims made in this article are outlandish, the author does not cite any sources, he’s just assuming.
While there are substantial claims that organs may be harvested from deceased prisoners without consent, the claims in this article are really out there.
I love to be proven wrong btw.
The linked report cites experts with direct knowledge of the matter, but we can’t expect official data by China here.
There is ample evidence of forced organ harvesting in China, including the project 981, in Xinjiang and other regions. Just search the web.
China: UN human rights experts alarmed by ‘organ harvesting’ allegations - (2021)
Forced Organ Harvesting in China: A Decades-long Injustice in Need of Accountability and Action - (2024)
First Known Survivor of China’s Forced Organ Harvesting Speaks Out - (2024)
I don’t think anything will convince you, but across the web you’ll find and almost endless stream of highly credible information on that.
EDIT: Pressed the wrong button and accidentally deleted this comment. Fortunately, Lemmy let’s you “undelete”.
Also, the unsurprising “whataboutism” from CCP apologists notwithstanding, it’s important for other folks to see that, despite “the west” being the techno-feudalist monsters they are, the CCP, the Iranian theocracy, the DPRK, and Putin’s russian imperial revivalist government are not the “noble opposition” that the perpetually butt-hurt temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting will make them out to be. Anyone who says “I’m/We’re in charge forever,” should be ridiculed and held in the utmost contempt for being the asshole bullies they are.
Here are the sources from the author (and I suspect this won’t convince you; it’s clear your mind is already made up):
This excerpt on Tiananmen Square tells one exactly why the CCP are authoritarians who should never be trusted:
Everyone (at least in the West) seems to know about tank man, but there’s another story that’s not as widely known and I never understood why. It shines a whole new light on this and explains why the Chinese government is so heavy handed when it comes to this subject. It was more than just another autocratic crackdown on protestors, which, while terrible, are par for the course.
A good chunk of military units sent in to squash the protestors refused to carry out their orders, refused to brutalize and kill their countrymen. Some actively joined in on the protests, then units sent in to put a stop it joined in as well. This terrified the Chinese leadership so they sent in the 27th army group, largely comprised of illiterate peasant farmers with no connection to Beijing or its people, headed by a politically reliable officer. The 27th army group then proceeded to massacre everyone, not ‘just’ students and protestors, but their own comrades in arms, other PLA soldiers.
Read the British embassy report and tell me it doesn’t completely change your perspective. The CCP wants everyone to think this was just another protest, no big deal. It wasn’t, it was the time they almost lost control, and they know it. It’s why they’re so fearful.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UK_cable_on_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre
edit: another user recommended a PBS documentary The Tank Man
Fuck the CCP.
Desalines etc there simply won’t accept the accounts of the people who were there and know what they are talking about. Whether it’s Tiananmen Square or the Han genocide of uyghurs in Xinjiang. They would scream in the face of the victims and admonish them for attacking the party. So incapable of thought on their own anymore that they would never acknowledge any of this.Without permission and instruction from the party. But if they hear a rumor about any Western nation. You better acknowledge that shit as fact. Or they will hypocritically dogpile of your ass.
i don’t wanna sound like a dick: i read it all, it’s still all from the same newspaper, the wiki link leads to nowhere and it’s not connected to systemmatic organ harvesting.
it is describing mass surveillance in a region which was ravaged by islamic terrorism. but why is there no outrage about the same stuff happening in western countries on a larger scale? (palantir). mass surveillance is horrible, i agree. but it’s all around us. if china does it tho they have to be singled out.
i’m not trying to do a whataboutism here but if a “good state” did this in a region with a high terror threat it’d be generally considered fine and necessary. (war on terror)
ok. there’s a chinese police station in ireland, which is odd. but at the same time europeans have to make peace with US bases which do far more. but china is painted as absolute evil while we’ve been occupied, economically controlled and monitored by a foreign nation since ww2. (rammstein, patch barracks…)
another false equivalency. every superpower tends to fail in places, it is unfortunately inevitable and i hope technological progress will someday reduce the harm people inflict on others (it won’t happen)
i can’t say anything on the 1989 protests as the provided source is not working.
it’s not like i made up my mind but the main point: “systemmatic organ harvesting by making unwanted people disappear on a mass scale” still sounds highly conspiratorial and you did not refute that, you just added more “china bad” into this exchange.
The three sources you posted are all the same. They all come from the ICIJ report - whose contents was originally shared by Adrien Zenz. You know, the Christian Findamentalist who said Hitler was an effective crime fighter? It’s laughable with all of these anti China hit pieces. You never need to go more than one or two sources back before youre hitting radio free Asia or adrien zenz. What you assumed were three sources was actually the same regurgitated slop that’s been juggled between sources for the past 5 years.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1342692.shtml
https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/xw/wjbxw/202405/t20240530_11343216.html
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You are criticizing others over their alleged bad source, but then posting exclusively propaganda sources of the Chinese party-state. Those propaganda trips by influencers who then reports on the so-called ‘progress’ in Xinjiang are well documented as genocidal tourism. The real picture is different.
There is ample evidence from many reliable sources.
https://theindiaobserver.com/islamic-delegation-visiting-chinas-xinjiang-region-says-all-is-well-here/
i guess their answer was so bad they deleted it. it also wasn’t about organ harvesting at all, just “china bad” lol
deleted my response. not screaming into the void.
No, I pressed the wrong button by accident and “undeleted” it. I stand by what I said. China and average Chinese people are not bad. The CCP is bad.
Lol, that’s not how this works. The article does a fairly good job of citing sources, with links; if you disagree it’s up to you to a) substantiate your disagreement (just saying “the claims are out there” is not enough) and then b) prove it.
Even so, we have plenty proof of human rights violations in China, especially against Muslim minorities.
my point is: “systemmatic organ harvesting by making unwanted people disappear on a mass scale” is looney tunes type conspiracy shit.
I mean it’s documented as having happened like dozens of times through history but go off.
we have documents of nazis and unit 731 doing inhumane experiments on people during wartime, but not an industrial scale organ trade
name one of these occurences. keep in mind the timeline and when it became possible to donate organs.
You mean when organ transplants generally failed? Oh I wonder why they weren’t more common.
Seriously bud.
i asked you to “name one of these occurences” since i may not be aware of your dozens of examples through history. you provided nothing related to it.
They’ve already been named, you just don’t agree.
Also, read usernames or a better yet a book.
i agree with the username part :) that´s a mistake on my behalf
Hard disagree. Not believing first-hand accounts from survivors is looney tunes shit. Or are they just an imperialist plant as well?
a CIA backed cult. Good source
.ml denying crimes against humanity “everything is a conspiracy!” classic
are you aware of falun gong and what they stand for or do you blindly believe what confirms your bias?
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Where do you have your information from? How do you know that Falun Gong is “CIA backed” and what they stand for?
You make empty accusations and empty statements backed by nothing, while ignoring the sources cited in the linked report (and in this thread as well).
I admit the term “CIA” backed was a hyperboly. Yet Falun Gong is funded by the US Government and associated with US Propaganda outlets.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/986982387/falun-gong-steve-bannon-and-the-trump-era-battle-over-internet-freedom
funny how it also shows the financial ties to Radio Free Asia
I could also provide the wikipedia article about Falun Gong :)
It is especially strange how the article pushes this conspiracy theory
I found one single reference to a “project 981” on the internet, and it comes back to a Radio Free source. Laughable conspiracy theories with zero backing. Par for the course for these anti China hit pieces.
Search bubble? I get pages of results. It also goes under different names. And there’s the hot mic moment between Putin & Xi Jinping. But I’m sure you have a counterargument ready against that.
Even so, we have plenty proof of human rights violations in China, especially against Muslim minorities.
Please share your sources since they are so ample.
That’ s likely because you searched in the Chinese web, and there it is censored. There is ample evidence for this.
Please share the ample evidence of the operation purportedly being carried out by Chinese officials to increase their lifespan to 150 years.
What a cute question, as if anything would convince someone like you.
Xi Jinping’s talk about living to 150 echoes a specialized research project conducted by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to extend the lives of its top leaders. The conversation between Xi and Putin in September has resurfaced a 2019 digital advertisement on Chinese social media by the 301 Hospital’s “981 (CCP) Leaders’ Healthcare Project."
The 301 Hospital is the official PLA General Hospital, the main military medical institution in China, providing health care exclusively for senior party members, government, and military officials. The “981 Project” was established in 2005, the 981 Healthcare Technology Group was registered as a company in 2014. The project offers elite medical services to extend the lifespans of senior CCP leaders to 150 years, so the project says.
The 2019 ad also claims the CCP started researching enhanced elite health care as soon as it seized power in 1949, developing a “unique system” that significantly extends leaders’ lifespans with “remarkable results.”
Among others, the project touted already in 2008 that the average lifespan of Chinese leaders reached 88 years, as opposed to state statistics showing the average Chinese life span in 2008 was only 73. The project drew widespread criticism on Chinese social media, it has been censored since.
Utterly laughable. Try harder. This is “ample evidence” to you?
I think you might start getting flustered looking for more evidence as you realize that all of these ample “sources” cite this 1 minute RFA clip.
xi jinping is a cartoon villain now
Most major world leaders have always been. Most of us can admit that. ML, like fascists however can’t.