The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admin (and creator of Lemmy) named themself after a genocidal warlord
Edit: only on Lemmy will you find people who read shit like this and say “that’s not a genocide, those women and children deserved to be executed for the crime of being French”
That doesn’t look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn’t own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it’s not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.
And even if excessive (which I’m not conceding btw) I’m not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about “civility”. They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don’t want to give up any of their privileges.
Or as Assata Shakur put it
As far as I’m concerned, ‘liberal’ is the most meaningless word in the dictionary. History has shown me that as long as some white middle-class people can live high on the hog, take vacations to Europe, send their children to private schools, and reap the benefits of their white skin privilege, then they are ‘liberal’. But when times get hard and money gets tight, they pull off that liberal mask and you think you’re talking to Adolf Hitler. They feel sorry for the so-called underprivileged just as long as they can maintain their own privileges.”
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying.
Fuck you. Quit running apologetics for genocide. Dessalines did not wait to check if the people he was having raped and murdered played any role in the institution of slavery.
Yes. It’s called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.
I don’t necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?
What you asked was “I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?” The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.
Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?
And I hope you quit dancing around the fact that they killed far more than just slavers. Like I’ve already said, I support killing slave owners just as much as I support killing monarchs.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed.
Not the women and children and poor that they murdered. What part of “indiscriminate slaughter” do you not understand? Race has literally nothing to do with it. Genocide is bad even if a black person does it. Genocide is bad even if the victims share a nationality with slave owners.
Again, I cannot believe that I’m arguing in favor of not murdering innocent people, and I’m the fucking bad guy here
No, Im pretty sure these people pretending to have innocent opinions are pro genocide because they are putting their egos ahead of pragmatism by pretending they don’t understand the immense harm done when they falsely equate both parties just because neither are left leaning.
Also when they ignore that the only chance of having leftist policies come to life in America is through shifting a winning democrat party over multiple terms in a very boring and not fun at all way rather than a fictional grass roots uprising magically changing the USA, famous for its molasses slow politics, over night.
The people partially responsible for its results saying anyone else is carrying water is insanity.
The mid terms are not too long from now (if remotely free elections will exist thanks partially to them), so the idea that it’s all over so let’s let all the marginalized people die because we weren’t happy enough letting all the gazans die is a hell of a take from the people saying they aren’t pro genocide.
The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admin (and creator of Lemmy) named themself after a genocidal warlord
Edit: only on Lemmy will you find people who read shit like this and say “that’s not a genocide, those women and children deserved to be executed for the crime of being French”
That certainly is a take on jean-jacques dessalines who led the haitian revolution aganist slavery after the french betrayal of toussaint louverture.
It is an objectively correct take. Genocide, believe it or not, is always bad
I want to make it unequivocally clear that slave owners deserve to die. If they had only murdered slave owners, I would be a fan
That doesn’t look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn’t own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it’s not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.
And even if excessive (which I’m not conceding btw) I’m not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.
Jesus Christ. I’m talking to someone justifying the slaughter of fucking doctors and teachers and children, and I’m the bad guy in this discussion
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about “civility”. They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don’t want to give up any of their privileges.
Or as Assata Shakur put it
Fuck you. Quit running apologetics for genocide. Dessalines did not wait to check if the people he was having raped and murdered played any role in the institution of slavery.
That’s still not a genocide, dumbass
It’s not a genocide, it’s just the indiscriminate slaughter of a people based on their nationality
I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?
Did the French indiscriminately slaughter people based on their nationality during the revolution?
Yes. It’s called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.
Do you still support the French revolution?
I don’t necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?
What you asked was “I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?” The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.
Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?
And I hope you quit dancing around the fact that they killed far more than just slavers. Like I’ve already said, I support killing slave owners just as much as I support killing monarchs.
Not the women and children and poor that they murdered. What part of “indiscriminate slaughter” do you not understand? Race has literally nothing to do with it. Genocide is bad even if a black person does it. Genocide is bad even if the victims share a nationality with slave owners.
Again, I cannot believe that I’m arguing in favor of not murdering innocent people, and I’m the fucking bad guy here
People who say this when the president is a democrat are called “tankies” by the pro-genocide center.
No, Im pretty sure these people pretending to have innocent opinions are pro genocide because they are putting their egos ahead of pragmatism by pretending they don’t understand the immense harm done when they falsely equate both parties just because neither are left leaning.
Also when they ignore that the only chance of having leftist policies come to life in America is through shifting a winning democrat party over multiple terms in a very boring and not fun at all way rather than a fictional grass roots uprising magically changing the USA, famous for its molasses slow politics, over night.
“You’re pro-genocide because you’re not as pro-genocide as me!” -every last pro-genocide centrist.
I’m not quite sure I can even begin to follow the logic there.
There are 2 realistic options and people pretending there are 3 are choosing the worst of 2.
There are 0 options. The election is over and carrying water for the genocide wing of the party just ensures that it never changes.
The people partially responsible for its results saying anyone else is carrying water is insanity.
The mid terms are not too long from now (if remotely free elections will exist thanks partially to them), so the idea that it’s all over so let’s let all the marginalized people die because we weren’t happy enough letting all the gazans die is a hell of a take from the people saying they aren’t pro genocide.