Key Camp Pendleton document has no approved artillery firing locations west of I-5 – San Diego Union-Tribune
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State says it has no record of any over-freeway fire prior to Saturday's amphibious capabilities demonstration that temporarily closed the freeway.

A statement from the California Highway Patrol issued Sunday afternoon called the recent firing of howitzers over Interstate 5 “unusual,” but the standing operating procedures that govern all artillery fire on Camp Pendleton make no formal provision for firing over one of the busiest roadways in the state

This is a great example of how fascism spreads incompetence.

  • sudoshakes@reddthat.comEnglish
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    7 days ago

    From the inside, let me tell you how this would go.

    You are a marine on the gun line. Call you a lance corporal. You refuse a lawful and direct order according to the UCMJ. You would be subject first to a guaranteed NJP, which requires no jury and only commander’s discretion. You could be facing confinement, extra duty, docked or complete removal of pay, informal hazing, and you would be treated like a shit bird by everything walking for the next 4 years. You would be organizing pine cones by shape or color while doing mountain climbers and planks every day until you could retain consciousness. Your life would be over in the military at best.

    If you are informed enough and smart enough to then demand a trial by court martial your life just got even worse. You would be brought before a court martial in a few months, but until then would likely face being put in the brig or confined until trial. All the above would apply, and now you risk a criminal conviction for refusal to follow orders and I would expect charged under several other articles of the UCMJ. They would find you guilty, as there is no leniency to jury interpretation here, you did in fact disobey a lawful order.

    It was a monumentally stupid order, but it was lawful to the UCMJ.

    If you did refuse and you were a SNCO all the above are true, but you would be facing even worse treatment.

    As an officer all the same, 100% imprisoned, and would be dishonorably discharged after being removed of your command and spent time in the brig without pay. You would be made an example out of, and the military would be ruthless in this manner.

    So in any part of this, up to the division commander, your life is straight over.

    Now what did you gain?

    Someone else from another fun line would follow the order seeing what’s happening to you and it would still happen. You would have thrown away your employment chances for life, endured prison, endured hardship someone outside the corps cannot fathom, and made no gain.

    If you suggest they were to conspire with others to prevent execution of the orders, that’s punishable as even worse and could be up to execution or death if charged with sedition or mutiny.

    For this? lol. Ok. Didn’t see you standing in front of the impact area as protest.