A 155-millimeter shell fired during a live-fire demonstration for the 250th anniversary of the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton on Saturday prematurely detonated, dropping fragments of the shell on a California Highway Patrol vehicle and motorcycle that were part of Vice President JD Vance’s protective detail, according to a patrol report.
No officers were hurt in the mishap, which dropped shrapnel onto the vehicles parked on a ramp to a major freeway that had been ordered closed by Gov. Gavin Newsom. The governor had objected to the plan to fire over the freeway, Interstate 5, and ordered a 17-mile stretch closed — against the guidance of military officials, who had said it was safe for it to remain open.
According to the patrol report, one officer described what sounded like pebbles hitting his motorcycle and the area around him, and two others saw a two-inch piece of shrapnel hit the hood of their patrol vehicle, leaving a small dent. The report says shrapnel was also found on the road near the motorcycle.
Mr. Newsom had warned that the Marine Corps’ plans to fire artillery shells over Interstate 5, the West Coast’s main north-south artery, could pose hazards for motorists on the stretch between Los Angeles and San Diego. The closure he ordered on Saturday caused significant backups on the portion of the interstate, which is used by approximately 80,000 people daily.
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A 155-millimeter shell fired during a live-fire demonstration for the 250th anniversary of the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton on Saturday prematurely detonated, dropping fragments of the shell on a California Highway Patrol vehicle and motorcycle that were part of Vice President JD Vance’s protective detail, according to a patrol report.
No officers were hurt in the mishap, which dropped shrapnel onto the vehicles parked on a ramp to a major freeway that had been ordered closed by Gov. Gavin Newsom. The governor had objected to the plan to fire over the freeway, Interstate 5, and ordered a 17-mile stretch closed — against the guidance of military officials, who had said it was safe for it to remain open.
According to the patrol report, one officer described what sounded like pebbles hitting his motorcycle and the area around him, and two others saw a two-inch piece of shrapnel hit the hood of their patrol vehicle, leaving a small dent. The report says shrapnel was also found on the road near the motorcycle.
Mr. Newsom had warned that the Marine Corps’ plans to fire artillery shells over Interstate 5, the West Coast’s main north-south artery, could pose hazards for motorists on the stretch between Los Angeles and San Diego. The closure he ordered on Saturday caused significant backups on the portion of the interstate, which is used by approximately 80,000 people daily.
“We love our Marines and owe a debt of gratitude to Camp Pendleton, but next time, the vice president and the White House shouldn’t be so reckless with people’s lives for their vanity projects,” Mr. Newsom said in a statement to The New York Times.
Lt. Col. Lindsay Pirek, a spokeswoman for the First Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton, said the Corps was aware of the report of a possible airborne detonation, and an investigation was underway.
“We are committed to determining the incident’s root cause and applying findings to future missions,” Colonel Pirek said. The statement did not provide additional detail on the munitions used during the exercise.
A spokesman for Mr. Vance declined to comment and referred reporters to the First Marine Expeditionary Force.
According to the report filed by the California Highway Patrol, the artillery round was fired at 1:46 p.m. from White’s Beach, approximately three-quarters of a mile south of Las Pulgas Road, where the highway patrol officers were parked after escorting Mr. Vance to the event.
The exercise — which the report said was expected to include the firing of approximately 60 155-millimeter shells — was terminated after the round prematurely exploded, the patrol said. Patrol officers checked the interstate for shell fragments but found none, and declared it clear before reopening it to vehicular traffic at 2:20 p.m.
The demonstration was part of a larger exercise marking the Corps’ 250th anniversary, attended by Mr. Vance and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. A Marine spokesman accompanying reporters witnessing the exercise was pulled aside by another Marine after the initial volley was fired by M777 howitzers, then told members of the news media that the initial plan for multiple volleys had been scaled back. The spokesman, Lt. Col. Brian Coleman, noted that there had been a lengthy back and forth between officials in the days leading up to the event, but gave no further information.
The decision to fire live artillery shells from the oceanfront training area was described as unusual by an active-duty Marine artillery officer and a former Marine artillery noncommissioned officer who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared reprisal. Those Marines said the only howitzer training they had previously observed at Camp Pendleton had taken place at approved artillery ranges on the main side of base, east of the interstate, which they said were a much safer option for training.
A highway patrol official based in the area also described it as an “unusual and concerning situation.” Tony Coronado, the highway patrol’s border division chief, said in a statement, that “it
is highly uncommon for any live-fire or explosive training activity to occur near an active freeway.”
Such mishaps are exceedingly rare, according to an active duty Marine who has spent more than 20 years as an artillery officer. The Marine, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the most likely explanation for such a mishap was a fault in the projectile’s fuze — a mechanical or electromechanical device fitted to the nose of the shell that causes it to explode.
The Marines fired howitzer shells across Interstate 5 on Friday evening as a rehearsal, evidently without incident.
The Marine Corps said before the event that the exercise would occur on “approved training ranges and comport with established safety protocols” without the need to close public roads.
“All air, surface and ground movements are scripted and rehearsed in accordance with standard operating procedures and established safety checklists,” the Marines said.
… ok, I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
Too tired to cut out summarize, here’s my written attempt at… comprehending this… :
As part of a big military training excercise / publicity stunt / ‘morale booster’, Hegseth orders the Marines to fire live artillery rounds from Camp Pendleton on a trajectory that goes over I5, the busiest, main highway in California…
… and one of the shells detonates prematurely, and rains shrapnel down on JD Vance’s security detail motorcade, on I5.
After Newsom closed I5 down for safety, after being told that would be unnecessary.
…
Yeah.
Sure.
… why not.
Accident?
Not so subtle ‘fuck you’ from the Marines, who now have less funding than ICE, whose 250th Anniversary isn’t actually until November 10th?
???
Fucking mark this timeline zero, dude, this is over the line.
I’ve never done 155mm artillery, but I assume it’s similar enough to naval artillery.
What kind of fuzes do they normally shoot, do you know? I think we always shot controlled variable time fuzes (that have point detonating backups, of course) and I’m struggling to imagine what would make a round explode in midair like that. They basically require a strong electromagnetic return from a nearby metal object in order to initiate. But maybe 155mm rounds are different, I don’t know.
I don’t think we ever shot over people’s heads, and any time we did have to shoot over a road (out at Cherry Point) it was closed off, because shit happens. If we did have to, we would use ordnance approved for OverHead Fire (OHF), which is just a fancy way of saying “highly reliable.”
And even then what the fuck is the benefit here versus the very obvious and severe risks?
Well, I’ve also not actually shot 155mm, I’m basically just a tryhard sweat at milsims, and have autistic levels of uh, engineering appreciation, so, I’m not gonna pretend I have any actual directly relevant experience.
According to wikipedia, 155mm shells use a ‘timed fuse’.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M110_155_mm_projectile
Not very specific, not too helpful.
Originally, I imagine that would have been basically based on number of rotations during the ballistic arc, gyroscopic.
With naval arty, a magnetic fuse makes sense because you’re presumably often aiming at a big fucking other piece of metal in the water, but that … doesn’t strike me as being necesarry for ground to ground arty, which could just be… chewing up a landscape to provide cover / deny it logistically to the enemy, direct it at a large group of infantry, all the way up to maybe a large armored formation, but I wouldn’t think you’d be getting anywhere near the same… is it teslas of magnetic field flux? I dunno the relevant unit of measurement.
I have absolutely zero idea as to how… more precisely the fuses mechanicall or digitally work nowadays, how exactly they are programmed or set for ranges… but I would presume/assume that… there is some kind of mechanism for those functions, as… controlling time to detonation is a pretty big deal for shooting big, indirect fire cannons, whether based on land or sea or… whatever the hell they bolt into the ‘spooky’ ac 130s.
We’re now in an age of artillery rounds that have deployable fins and basically GPS smart guide themselves more precisely… to hit a t-64 with a metal bird cage built around it.
???
I also presume it is possible that… an older timed fuse could just go bad with age… or, maybe the mechanism in the cannon that ‘does’ the timing setting/programming was somehoe malfunctioning, or, maybe somebody fat fingered the timing set/program, or, maybe they did it intentionally… no clue how you would figure out which of those is what actually happened.
As to what could possibly be any kind of logic or reasoning used to justify firing over I5?
Uh, basically, ‘owning the libs’, that is legitimately where the US Military is right now, with Hegseth heading the DoD, sorry, I mean DoW.
The top of the chain basically could not possibly be more careless, unprofessional, utterly incompetent, irresponsible.
Oh, also in case it wasn’t clear, I meant ‘splash’ as the artilleryman callout meant to indicate 5 seconds before detonation on target, not as a reference to where the shots were aimed.
I dunno if I missed it in the article but… presumably they are firing from Pendleton, over I5… out to sea?
I really have no idea what the firing lane actually was.
Ah, gotcha. Well, I appreciate the conversation regardless.
CVT rounds in the Navy are a generalist round, kinda used for everything. The idea is indeed proximity, but it works against all sorts of metal stuff, (including ground targets) with a supposed 50 yard kill radius, but I never got to see any of them land, so I’m going off of what little I can remember of various manuals.
Even the “dumb” point detonating fuzes worked on setback and spin, so the round actually has to be fired and in flight in order to arm.
I would think that the problem with using magnetic fuses over land is that 1) a lot of your targets may not have a substantial magnetic signature 2) a lot of your targets may be surrounded by things with more of a magnetic signature than the actual target (buildings, various mountains, etc) 3) they could fly over something with a larger mag. signature than the intended target and detonate prematurely, at certain trajectories, 4) they’re thus just basically a waste of money, something simpler would work.
I… would imagine that the precise like, engineering specs of how these fuses actually work, in any shells, naval or land, are probably classified.
But again, thats all me spitball guessing, yeah, I have no real idea.
But yeah, what you are calling a ‘setback and spin’ type thing, I would think that would basically be how standard arty shells work, calc the trajectory, you know roughly how many spins its gonna take over that flight path, and the rough time of that, solve some equation and that gets programmed or dialed in, in some way, thats your method of timer setting.
Like uh, even m203 rounds have a very simplified version of this, they wont arm and will be inert, wont detonate, untill they spin so many times, travel some distance.
Presumably thats to prevent friendly fire/blowing yourself up from a negligent discharge.
The way I understand it, yes, Point Detonating rounds operate exactly like the 40mm rounds, which are supposed to have a 10 meter arming distance. But they’re not much more complicated than that.
That being said, CVT technology was certainly classified during world war 2. I think it’s even called “controlled variable timing” to make it sound more mechanical than it actually is. Interestingly, it’s part of the reason people think that carrots make eyesight better.
Hopefully I’m not misremembering, but when the Allies developed more miniaturized radar technology they wanted to keep it a secret from the Germans, and so started a rumor that the reason the Brits had such early warning for air raids was because the country was eating a lot of carrots due to rationing. Carrots, they said, are good for your eyes and can make them more acute.
In reality we were using radar, not only for early warning, but also for our anti-aircraft artillery. From what I recall, using the new radar-equipped CVT rounds took AA fire from 5% accuracy to nearly 40% accuracy, because the fuzes were no longer hand set.
I don’t know how strong CVT “radar” is, but I imagine it’s in the several yards range rather than some crazy distance that might make the round ineffective from long range. Actually, the “controlled” part is really just referring to the set arming distance of the fuze, which only needs to be long enough to get past any potential friendlies.
Ah, ok, setting just the arming distance of the radar fuse… that makes a lot of sense, I had not thought of that bit.
But yeah haha, I was aware of the whole ‘carrots = good eyes’ thing ultimately being a propoganda ruse (i guess the modern term would be ‘psyop’)… I had not heard that it was specifically to mask the use of minaturized radar fuses for flak cannons.
I did know that those radar fuses were very, very important, though.