Convincing you that they’re untouchable is their game. But they’re just humans like you or I.
But how can you expect to bring about change with this attitude? “There’s no way we can make a republic, there’s no scenario where the king will allow it”
What on earth is that response? You’re taking offense because I wanted to hear your strategy? That’s crazy. You should be glad that someone’s seeking out your perspective.
For example, since you deflected it back to me, I’m happy to share my thoughts.
The left is a long way from posing a real threat to the powers that be. It is poorly organized, poorly armed, and lacks clarity of vision. So long as that’s the case, the left doesn’t have much negotiating power, if push comes to shove, it’d be slaughtered, and there is little choice but to back down because of that. Whatever other approaches are taken, it is important to account for the possibility of enemies using extreme measures, for example, in the event of a general strike, the state might just start killing striking workers until they go back to work. And indeed, they may even force the left’s hand without waiting for something like that.
The best way to avoid the other side using a nuclear option is through deterrence. When the left has a “nuclear option” of it’s own, then there will be reason to come to the table and negotiate with the peaceful side, and tactics such as a general strike can be deployed more effectively and with less risk.
Of course, the logistics of such a “nuclear option” take time to set up, and, God willing, it should only serve to increase negotiating power and shouldn’t develop into a full-fledged conflict - meaning that we need to be realistic about what we can bargain for. Trump being almost 80, may well be dead before we are really in a position to achieve anything, and there will likely be more important priorities at that time than holding him accountable.
In short: buy a gun, join an org, and read and discuss theory.
I am not taking offense at anything, I’m not sure how you read that. But to be fair I also misread your comment, I did not catch a genuine interest in my perspective but more of a “tell me how things can happen”, which I did not give and reflected back not to be an ass, but because I’m not american. Sharing my opinion on what practical steps the american people should take feels vacuous, and would be uneducated/misinformed even in good faith. I’m not on the ground there, so I don’t have a real sense of the situation or power to influence it (aside from arguing on the internet).
I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I think they’re very lucid and thought-out considerations that I share fully. I am glad that I got to read this comment instead of one more “we just need to reach 3.5%!!!” :)
They are untouchable. They may lose power. In a fantasy scenario, they may even be barred from office. But there is no scenario, even in fantasy, where these rich fucks will spend a single day in prison. The best we can hope for is them dying from old age, or quietly fading away.
Mate you’re either astroturfing or brainwashed. This collective thought of “nothing will ever happen” is what’s creating the scenario where nothing ever happens. Don’t you see that? Of course they will not be held accountable, if you don’t hold them accountable. wtf?
Convincing you that they’re untouchable is their game. But they’re just humans like you or I.
But how can you expect to bring about change with this attitude? “There’s no way we can make a republic, there’s no scenario where the king will allow it”
What’s the plan, then?
To stop asking other people what to do. What do you want?
What on earth is that response? You’re taking offense because I wanted to hear your strategy? That’s crazy. You should be glad that someone’s seeking out your perspective.
For example, since you deflected it back to me, I’m happy to share my thoughts.
The left is a long way from posing a real threat to the powers that be. It is poorly organized, poorly armed, and lacks clarity of vision. So long as that’s the case, the left doesn’t have much negotiating power, if push comes to shove, it’d be slaughtered, and there is little choice but to back down because of that. Whatever other approaches are taken, it is important to account for the possibility of enemies using extreme measures, for example, in the event of a general strike, the state might just start killing striking workers until they go back to work. And indeed, they may even force the left’s hand without waiting for something like that.
The best way to avoid the other side using a nuclear option is through deterrence. When the left has a “nuclear option” of it’s own, then there will be reason to come to the table and negotiate with the peaceful side, and tactics such as a general strike can be deployed more effectively and with less risk.
Of course, the logistics of such a “nuclear option” take time to set up, and, God willing, it should only serve to increase negotiating power and shouldn’t develop into a full-fledged conflict - meaning that we need to be realistic about what we can bargain for. Trump being almost 80, may well be dead before we are really in a position to achieve anything, and there will likely be more important priorities at that time than holding him accountable.
In short: buy a gun, join an org, and read and discuss theory.
I am not taking offense at anything, I’m not sure how you read that. But to be fair I also misread your comment, I did not catch a genuine interest in my perspective but more of a “tell me how things can happen”, which I did not give and reflected back not to be an ass, but because I’m not american. Sharing my opinion on what practical steps the american people should take feels vacuous, and would be uneducated/misinformed even in good faith. I’m not on the ground there, so I don’t have a real sense of the situation or power to influence it (aside from arguing on the internet).
I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I think they’re very lucid and thought-out considerations that I share fully. I am glad that I got to read this comment instead of one more “we just need to reach 3.5%!!!” :)
They are untouchable. They may lose power. In a fantasy scenario, they may even be barred from office. But there is no scenario, even in fantasy, where these rich fucks will spend a single day in prison. The best we can hope for is them dying from old age, or quietly fading away.
Just like Mussolini right?
Mate you’re either astroturfing or brainwashed. This collective thought of “nothing will ever happen” is what’s creating the scenario where nothing ever happens. Don’t you see that? Of course they will not be held accountable, if you don’t hold them accountable. wtf?