Bullshit, Incels, like everyone else, have access to information, they are choosing to gravitate towards these manosphere wackos because it’s the easy way out, a convenient scapegoat instead of actually trying to address THEIR issues. They have zero critical thinking skills and again I put that on them. I have access to all the same propaganda, the women only wanting men 6ft plus, meanwhile I have two ex wives both who were taller than my 167cm giant height.
It seems to me that the existence of incels is evidence of some sort of mental health crisis among this demographic. Blaming someone for not having the adequate emotional maturity doesn’t seem like the right move if the goal is to make these people better. They need therapy. I guess in my mind they occupy the same space as drug addicts/alcoholics except they probably do more harm to those around them. They need to take responsibility, but they need a support system that will actually help too.
I agree with much of what you said, I posted that while angry and so it came across unsympathetic. Mental health (I’m a recovering alcoholic, 7+ years sober after 27 years of hell before I took responsibility) is key to a majority of these kids. We also have to acknowledge the fact that many of these kids haven’t developed any social skills, in my day, you had to talk to people, you made friends, you learnt social norms by trial and error, there was no screen to hide behind under an alias. No one told them the internet isn’t social interaction. Unfortunately, society doesn’t seem equipped to deal with this phenomena.
I appreciate you calling me out on that.
While what you said is true (at least from the second word on), your argument boils down to “the truth is out there so propaganda only works on people who want it to work on them”. And while I wouldn’t say that is necessarily false either, it does drastically oversimplify things.
And even if anyone who does fall for it deliberately so, it’s still good to know that there is a propaganda effort going on and that inceldom and the manosphere aren’t just happening because that’s how men are. They likely started naturally (because there absolutely are men like that, and women and others) but it’s all being amplified to pull in as many as possible.
That is absolutely NOT how men are, at my age, i feel like I can speak on behalf of ALL real men in that statement. But as usual, a small and very vocal minority makes us all look bad.
Bullshit, Incels, like everyone else, have access to information, they are choosing to gravitate towards these manosphere wackos because it’s the easy way out, a convenient scapegoat instead of actually trying to address THEIR issues. They have zero critical thinking skills and again I put that on them. I have access to all the same propaganda, the women only wanting men 6ft plus, meanwhile I have two ex wives both who were taller than my 167cm giant height.
It seems to me that the existence of incels is evidence of some sort of mental health crisis among this demographic. Blaming someone for not having the adequate emotional maturity doesn’t seem like the right move if the goal is to make these people better. They need therapy. I guess in my mind they occupy the same space as drug addicts/alcoholics except they probably do more harm to those around them. They need to take responsibility, but they need a support system that will actually help too.
I agree with much of what you said, I posted that while angry and so it came across unsympathetic. Mental health (I’m a recovering alcoholic, 7+ years sober after 27 years of hell before I took responsibility) is key to a majority of these kids. We also have to acknowledge the fact that many of these kids haven’t developed any social skills, in my day, you had to talk to people, you made friends, you learnt social norms by trial and error, there was no screen to hide behind under an alias. No one told them the internet isn’t social interaction. Unfortunately, society doesn’t seem equipped to deal with this phenomena. I appreciate you calling me out on that.
While what you said is true (at least from the second word on), your argument boils down to “the truth is out there so propaganda only works on people who want it to work on them”. And while I wouldn’t say that is necessarily false either, it does drastically oversimplify things.
And even if anyone who does fall for it deliberately so, it’s still good to know that there is a propaganda effort going on and that inceldom and the manosphere aren’t just happening because that’s how men are. They likely started naturally (because there absolutely are men like that, and women and others) but it’s all being amplified to pull in as many as possible.
That is absolutely NOT how men are, at my age, i feel like I can speak on behalf of ALL real men in that statement. But as usual, a small and very vocal minority makes us all look bad.