Argument about why an instance doesn’t want to federate with another instance that’s devoted to political trolling. Apparently that kind of behavior is simply a core tenet of the belief system, and to criticize it is to reject the whole ideology.
Argument about why an instance doesn’t want to federate with another instance that’s devoted to political trolling. Apparently that kind of behavior is simply a core tenet of the belief system, and to criticize it is to reject the whole ideology.
Quote me claiming “nothing in the screenshotted text was bolded” for the court please.
You could have said that @[email protected] worded it incorrectly, and that you never said that, you only said that a specific line wasn’t bolded (at least I assume that is what you are trying to get at here)
It would be a better use of everyones time.
I literally conceded that he could have that point, because it was literally completely irrelevant to the discussion. I then invited him to rejoin the discussion multiple times after that, but he continued to accuse me of lying, instead of just agreeing to disagree and move on. Yet you deem my behavior as more harmful to the community.
Why are you both so fixated on that hyper-specific, non-sequitor?
The fuck are you talking about?
I’m not.
Oh sorry, I assumed you used bans appropriately. My bad. Guess that sorta resolves this post though!
What… you think I’m a mod or admin?
Oh, yes – I did think you were a mod and the one that banned me, based on how things came to my inbox.
Nevermind, you’re just a Cowbee orbiter. Yawn.
Already linked to it.
You sure did. Quote the line I said.
You won’t. Because we were quibbling about which particular bullet point you meant, based on me making a non-sequitor jab.
You just can’t help but misrepresent, can you?
No, you intentionally misinterpreted what I said by placing too much of a focus on the words “NATO” and “IMF” when the point was clearly about the line “It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished.” I pointed out NATO and the IMF as they were the subjects of this line, ie the organizations the line refers to, as shown in Lemmy.world’s quotations:
and Hexbear’s original text:
Rather than engage with the points I raised, you tried to pretend that since IMF and NATO weren’t bolded that my point about Lemmy.world wanting to emphasize those lines no longer mattered and wasn’t worthy of discussion. That’s why you were temp-banned for a measly 5 days from one community. Not about your argument being “hard to counter,” I refused to engage with that kind of trolling behavior.
Why should I engage with anything you said if you’re going to bend-over backwards to avoid answering a question I asked first? A conversation is a two-way exchange, and you clearly weren’t interested in that, only in debatelording.
I didn’t “intentionally misinterpret” anything. I thought you were talking about that one line, and thought it was funny that you called out the only line without any actual bold in the formatting. I then said proceeded to move on and answer your question regardless of the perceived gaff.
When you decided that was your hill to die on, I gave you the concession because it was completely irrelevant to the discussion and invited you several times to engage with my answer. You refused.
I answered your question. 3 times. I linked you to it. What more do you want?
Now you’re here claiming that I said there was no bolded text at all. I see why other comments here are talking about your reputation.
You never conceded, you insulted me the entire way through, and played coy. Your response, which you linked:
Was not an answer. I asked why Lemmy.world admins highlighted specifically that the Hexbear news mega stated that it was in the left’s interest to demolish NATO and the IMF. You responed by asking why Hexbear included it at all, which is found simply by reading the Hexbear thread. Hex included it for anyone unfamiliar with Hexbear to learn more about Hexbear’s stances. Lemmy.world saw it, saw Hexbear’s stances, and decided to defederate before federating.
Additionally, a single user saying I have a “reputation” after you displayed such bad-faith argumentation means very little.
Removed by mod
Not mutually exclusive. Stop whining about insults, you’ve insulted me this whole time as well. No one cares.
Yes it was. The answer is that Lemmy World wanted nothing to do with an instance obsessed with political rhetoric, that has identified them as housing enemy ideologies.
You can sub in any political ideology and that answer holds true.
Good thing there’s a whole community of users here. Man, you love fishing for little gotchas :)
Lemmy.world is fine with political trolls and drama farming, though. Hexbear was deemed off-limits before it even federated. They highlighted what they took issue with.
This isn’t going to go anywhere, I’m disengaging.
In your mind, sure.
After telling a bold-faced lie about me. Cool hypocrisy, bro.
Welcome to the circus lol
You can’t exactly go into the stables voluntarily, and then complain that you have horse poop on you now. It is known as a common feature, and if you didn’t know, now you do.
Bruh how does Cowbee get null a second time, that’s amazing!
I’ve said this about another person, but Cowbee is a camouflaged pit of sharpened spikes. It’s just argument bait, a person who has more time than god to get in bad-faith arguments.
I’m a little bit curious what’s going on there. The right-wing political “fellow leftist” booby trap users are fairly easy to identify, likewise the people who are sincerely expressing bad opinions (that grouping can even be fun to talk with for a while I think.) I even mastered some of the weirder characters like Yogsoth and recognized some who work along similar lines. Recently I have added streamer stans to my little menagerie of weird-Lemmy-interact-ers, I sort of tried for a while to understand them and stopped without really having reached enlightenment, but it is okay.
Cowbee is not any of those. He is still a mystery to me. He must be sincere about what he’s saying, no one would spend that level of time and energy unless they meant it on some level. And his style of argumentation doesn’t really betray that he doesn’t believe it himself or know that it is factually weak… if I had to guess, I would say that he is completely sincere, he just kind of has some alternative facts at work that are hard to break through because it’s all bedrocked on this alternate reality, coupled with I think an emotional attachment to “his team” needing to be the right team that must be defended at all costs. That’s my best guess honestly. I think the infinite energy comes from wanting to stand up for “his people” in some sense, and I think he cares to send infinite messages on whatever topic and wants to rearrange facts around to support whatever he’s trying to “win” at the moment just because it is fun to fight for his team and feel successful.
But honestly, that is all guessing. Another possibility is that he has a position of leadership in some kind of leftist organization, and so this stuff is tied in with his sense of self-image, and so he has to defend it to the death any time it comes up and comes onto his radar. No idea. He’s not really stupid or vacuous like a lot of the infinite-internet-arguers, but talking with him is usually not productive just because his side of the conversation will contain 0 listening, so you’ll just be hearing lectures until you feel like stopping the interaction.
Honestly, Cowbee is one of the few over there that I retain full respect for. They tend to stay on topic and polite, and that’s good enough for me. The rest I can accept under viewpoint diversity.
I do agree there’s some alternative facts at play, but that’s unsurprising in this world of ours, particularly given how information exchange has become so international. Alternative fact sets are an inevitable result of that, given that different people have had their own values and narratives for … as long as there have been countries I suppose. Longer, even, countries aren’t really that old. Spin is much older.
I agree with you and think he’s absolutely sincere. You either put that much energy into something because it’s passion or a paycheck, and I don’t think there’s any indication that they’re a bad actor, they are a dyed in the wool communist who’s been here since the beginning. They might work or be attached to an official org or something, but I don’t think that enters into to it at all except to say they are very educated. Also as you noted, whip fucking smart!
But that has created the situation I refer to as an argument trap. Because arguments with Cowbee are not productive because they are not moving them in any direction except not liking you and using meta arguments to dismantle any serious points you make, and to dismantle any influence you may have.
It’s fun to watch and anyone who argues with them will eventually be reduced to a series of deep left buzzwords. By the end it’s become a meta argument that doesn’t even resemble anything approaching the original point. It was simply a waste of time and energy.
But it’s fun to watch, by Jobe!