• tetris11@feddit.uk
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    (oh I know you weren’t disagreeing, sorry if my tone came across like that!)

    I mean yeah – ultimately it boils down to whether the social contract (equality/tolerance) is one that should be enforced, and how rigid that contract should be.

    Fascism tends to descend in gradual stages, where lines are crossed repeatedly but slowly enough that people no longer see the lines anymore. So having a rigid and well-defined social contract (somewhat like a constitution) that will bring out the troops as soon as one of the tenets is breached should (theoretically) provide a filter for the bad apples.

    Of course, a society like that build upon such a rigid constitution will never evolve with the times.

    So I don’t really know what the answer here is

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      (oh I know you weren’t disagreeing, sorry if my tone came across like that!)

      Oh the joys of communication by text online 😄

      whether the social contract (equality/tolerance) is one that should be enforced

      Here, I agree with Karl Popper that a tolerant society which permits intolerance is doomed to be undermined, as you outlined with the gradual descent. In this case, I believe that means the contract needs to be enforced if it is to have any meaning at all.

      Of course, a society like that build upon such a rigid constitution will never evolve with the times.

      Usually, a body of law consists of both a rigid, more general constitution laying down the fundamental values and principles by which the polity in question is governed, and a more flexible and specific set of laws designed to be malleable and evolve with the times. There is also often some leeway in enforcing those laws in order to allow a more fine-grained case-by-case handling.

      The vulnerability we observe right now is that the processes designed to govern the modification and application of that contract require a degree of engagement, leisure and education in order to make informed decisions, critically question claims and also reflect on your own preconceptions. A society seeking to remain free and democratic must afford its citizens the luxury of participation and encourage them to get involved.

      I don’t need to point out all the ways this is going poorly.

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        require a degree of engagement, leisure and education in order to make informed decisions, critically question claims and also reflect on your own preconceptions. A society seeking to remain free and democratic must afford its citizens the luxury of participation and encourage them to get involved.

        Hear hear