• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    The left tried to warn you that she would lose if she kept supporting genocide. No centrist listened because they didn’t want to stop supporting genocide.

    If you think Trump is anti-genocide you’re delusional.

    We know. It’s why centrists were so ok with losing to him.

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      So the left chose not to vote thereby allowing Trump to win. I won’t argue that what happened in Gaza is a genocide and she failed to recognize it as such publicly but not voting was a vote. So those left voters are largely responsible for him winning. Not her one stance which was not as bad as his stance on the same issue. Remember he wants beachfront resorts. And his other platforms are horrific. Democracy is about choice. They chose not to vote knowing what would happen. Now they’re trying to gaslight ‘us’ into believing it was her fault. P.S. I’m not ‘American’ so I see this through a different lens.

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        Betray people long enough and they won’t vote for you. Add genocide support into the mix and just expect unquestioning fealty and they’re even less likely to. Progressives tried to warn centrists and were greeted with dismissal and abuse.

        Democracy is about choice.

        Hobson’s choice.

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          US does have an issue with your two party system. But not voting is also a choice. I see you mentioned you voted for her. I’ve done the same in my country. The lesser of ‘two’ evils. In fact, many people did the same in our recent election to get the right person in even though we have multiple options which can usually shift the tide. In our case we collectively recognized that he was infinitely better than the main alternative. Your country did not do this but I applaud you for not being one of the voters (or non-voters) that I hold directly responsible for Trump getting a second term. I’m just astonished that now these non-voters are trying to pin the blame on her. The woman. So not surprising to be honest.

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            6 days ago

            She chose to ignore and alienate her base.

            She supported genocide and that’s all you need to carry water for her.

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              5 days ago

              So does Trump (support genocide). But he’s also supporting a lot of other causes I strongly disagree with so, yes, I would carry water for her. This guy is zero sum.

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                But he’s also supporting a lot of other causes I strongly disagree with

                So he supports genocide but also supports causes you don’t like.

                Harris isn’t running anymore. She no longer needs your undying support. But genocide is still ongoing and you can’t say one of its champions was wrong to support it, so you keep carrying water.

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                  Im not American. I don’t really care about either of them but it’s incredibly gaslighty as I previously stated for left wing American voters to blame her for the rise of Trump. Further, she was running while she was VP. She couldn’t very well run a campaign that was opposite to the ‘current’ regimes stance on gaza could she? We’ll never know if she would have changed her position once it was her in office. Also, there are other genocides and atrocities currently occurring that get zero attention from press or western governments. Again, I applaud you for voting against Trump.

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                    I don’t really care about either of them but it’s incredibly gaslighty as I previously stated for left wing American voters to blame her for the rise of Trump.

                    Yes, she supported genocide just like you do, so she can do no wrong. She can only be failed by the stupid voters who don’t love genocide like you want them to.

                    Further, she was running while she was VP. She couldn’t very well run a campaign that was opposite to the ‘current’ regimes stance on gaza could she?

                    She was permitted to differ from biden. She ran to his right. She said she was going to appoint a republican to her cabinet, something even biden wasn’t complicit enough to do. But she couldn’t differ on the only issue that centrists will never abandon: their unconditional support for genocide.

                    Also, there are other genocides and atrocities currently occurring that get zero attention from press or western governments.

                    The US wasn’t selling weapons for those. I’m sure you’re endlessly disappointed.

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        6 days ago

        Voting for her? Because that’s what I did. I couldn’t force centrists to stop supporting genocide.