So more progressive socialists are going to run in the primaries
Thank goodness we have strong campaign finance and party regulation laws that prevent connected party insiders from creating rules or deploying resources that make it effectively impossible for progressive socialists to win /s
And the voters are going to be voting in the primaries
Thank goodness we have strong voting laws and an equitable voting system that makes it easy for everyone who wants to vote to do so /s
Thank goodness we have strong campaign finance and party regulation laws that prevent connected party insiders from creating rules or deploying resources that make it effectively impossible for progressive socialists to win /s
So … you’re telling me the Bernie Sanders didn’t win the Democratic primary for Senator in Vermont to begin his federal senatorial career*? You’re saying AOC, and Ilhan Omar, and Pramila Jayapal did not run in the Democratic primaries for US House? You’re saying Zorhan Mamdani was barred from the Democratic primary for NYC mayor?
Thank goodness we have strong voting laws and an equitable voting system that makes it easy for everyone who wants to vote to do so /s
Wait. You mean Sanders, AOC, Omar, and Jayapal didn’t win their respective elections? Even after winning the primaries they weren’t allowed to campaign in?
It’s a good thing you’re here to correct my misperceptions of reality. I may have to rethink a few things based on these revelations.
* yes, I know Sanders won as an Independent, but he did that after first winning the Democratic primary and then turning down the nomination.
I’m saying that if your politics start with blaming the voters and not talking about the fucked up bullshit systems we’re navigating that stops more AOCs and Ilhan’s from getting elected we’re going to waste a lot of energy fighting each other when we probably agree on a lot of policy stuff
Quit punching down at the people and start punching up at systems, how we campaign matters and “are you ready to stop being a bunch of fuck ups” is a lot less appealing than “are you ready to stop getting fucked over”
e; Also, yes, progressive socialists are going to run in primaries. For example, Kat Abughazaleh -
Kat’s great, I’d be stumping for her if I lived there. Unfortunately I’m in Texas and gerrymandered to hell. Close to a major metro area though, so there’s hope I’ll have an option to vote for in the primaries. But I’ll still put my ballot in either way.
I’m saying that if your politics start with blaming the voters
I can blame people who don’t vote for the act of not voting. They’re choosing to remove themselves from the conversation and then complaining they don’t have a voice. If you don’t like any of the candidates then leave those races blank on the ballot, but still turn in a ballot. That puts you on record as an actual voter. Once that happens, campaign managers will work to find out how to win your vote. Campaign managers don’t give a crap about the opinions of non-voters.
and not talking about the fucked up bullshit systems we’re navigating
100% our electoral system is garbage. But we have to recognize that it will march on forward without us if we don’t participate, and removing ourselves from the conversation will not get anyone in any position to changes things to even try.
Quit punching down at the people and start punching up at systems, how we campaign matters and “are you ready to stop being a bunch of fuck ups” is a lot less appealing than “are you ready to stop getting fucked over”
Right. I didn’t say “fuck you, non-voter, for not voting!”, that’s just how you responded to me asking rhetorically if people are going to come out and vote. Indeed, the way to punch up at an electoral system that wants us to stay home is to show up and vote in spite of it.
I didn’t say “fuck you, non-voter, for not voting!”,
Except at the beginning of your comment,
I can blame people who don’t vote for the act of not voting
Please do that while voicing support for Republicans because that shit is a) electoral poison and b) deeply fucking offensive given everything the average American has been subjected to by our dogshit leaders in the last 2 decades
I do acknowledge the apparent contradiction. However, I was referring to my original post to which you had replied.
Please do that while voicing support for Republicans
Not really sure what you’re saying here. I don’t think I’ve ever voiced support for the Republicans. I’m not even voicing support for the Democratic party. I’m just saying to vote for better candidates in the primaries.
I’m saying that your insistence on attacking voters is going to be a drag on whoever you’re associated with so I think you should start telling people you support Republicans because I want them to lose
Ah. I’m not attacking voters. I’m talking about people who are eligible to vote and simply choosing not to. I want them to vote instead of not vote. Then they will be voters instead of non-voters and I won’t have anything to complain about them for.
Thank goodness we have strong campaign finance and party regulation laws that prevent connected party insiders from creating rules or deploying resources that make it effectively impossible for progressive socialists to win /s
Thank goodness we have strong voting laws and an equitable voting system that makes it easy for everyone who wants to vote to do so /s
So … you’re telling me the Bernie Sanders didn’t win the Democratic primary for Senator in Vermont to begin his federal senatorial career*? You’re saying AOC, and Ilhan Omar, and Pramila Jayapal did not run in the Democratic primaries for US House? You’re saying Zorhan Mamdani was barred from the Democratic primary for NYC mayor?
Wait. You mean Sanders, AOC, Omar, and Jayapal didn’t win their respective elections? Even after winning the primaries they weren’t allowed to campaign in?
It’s a good thing you’re here to correct my misperceptions of reality. I may have to rethink a few things based on these revelations.
* yes, I know Sanders won as an Independent, but he did that after first winning the Democratic primary and then turning down the nomination.
I’m saying that if your politics start with blaming the voters and not talking about the fucked up bullshit systems we’re navigating that stops more AOCs and Ilhan’s from getting elected we’re going to waste a lot of energy fighting each other when we probably agree on a lot of policy stuff
Quit punching down at the people and start punching up at systems, how we campaign matters and “are you ready to stop being a bunch of fuck ups” is a lot less appealing than “are you ready to stop getting fucked over”
e; Also, yes, progressive socialists are going to run in primaries. For example, Kat Abughazaleh -
https://youtu.be/mMPmvoUaJa8
Mirror link - https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=mMPmvoUaJa8
Kat’s great, I’d be stumping for her if I lived there. Unfortunately I’m in Texas and gerrymandered to hell. Close to a major metro area though, so there’s hope I’ll have an option to vote for in the primaries. But I’ll still put my ballot in either way.
Por que no los dos
I can blame people who don’t vote for the act of not voting. They’re choosing to remove themselves from the conversation and then complaining they don’t have a voice. If you don’t like any of the candidates then leave those races blank on the ballot, but still turn in a ballot. That puts you on record as an actual voter. Once that happens, campaign managers will work to find out how to win your vote. Campaign managers don’t give a crap about the opinions of non-voters.
100% our electoral system is garbage. But we have to recognize that it will march on forward without us if we don’t participate, and removing ourselves from the conversation will not get anyone in any position to changes things to even try.
Right. I didn’t say “fuck you, non-voter, for not voting!”, that’s just how you responded to me asking rhetorically if people are going to come out and vote. Indeed, the way to punch up at an electoral system that wants us to stay home is to show up and vote in spite of it.
Except at the beginning of your comment,
Please do that while voicing support for Republicans because that shit is a) electoral poison and b) deeply fucking offensive given everything the average American has been subjected to by our dogshit leaders in the last 2 decades
I do acknowledge the apparent contradiction. However, I was referring to my original post to which you had replied.
Not really sure what you’re saying here. I don’t think I’ve ever voiced support for the Republicans. I’m not even voicing support for the Democratic party. I’m just saying to vote for better candidates in the primaries.
I’m saying that your insistence on attacking voters is going to be a drag on whoever you’re associated with so I think you should start telling people you support Republicans because I want them to lose
Ah. I’m not attacking voters. I’m talking about people who are eligible to vote and simply choosing not to. I want them to vote instead of not vote. Then they will be voters instead of non-voters and I won’t have anything to complain about them for.
edit: PS - I also want the fascists to lose.
Upvoted for the PS, in that we are in 100% agreement