In my old retail days, I used to regularly kick out people with offensive T Shirts.
You can wear your “Fuck You” T-shirt all you want, but I’m not going to let you come into my shop and insult all my customers, and perhaps cause them to leave.
Those who advocate for hate and the extermination of others should be concerned about their teachings being applied to themselves at any given moment. That’s why those who incite genocide are declared responsible for it, not the individuals carrying out parts of it, and that’s why they get hung.
Advocating for violence against a group is wrong, but it shouldn’t be combatted with violence to silence them. The only reason they feel free to talk about genociding people is because they know they can censor and ban people who talk about doing it to them instead. In a nearly no censorship playing field everyone can be hit with the same type of hatred with no special censorship control for a few groups. If the hateful group convincess most people to be violent against a group it will only prove humanity isn’t worth saving.
Well I’m worried. I have a favorite hat I sewed an upside down American flag on. Too scared to wear it and get in a firefight with a MAGA goon. They will pick fights, been on the edge a few times. Wife’s a legal, brown immigrant. Can’t fuck around because of fear for her.
Too scared to plant an antifa flag in my yard. There will be a firefight if they come for me over that. Or if they come for my wife, for any reason.
Fuck me, even on this platform, I’m afraid to say too much. OTOH, some things I’ve said are basically a “dare ya” to the government.
Even having the means and skills to protect myself and my family, my speech has been stifled. And that’s America where I live, 2025.
While I agree with your previous comment, I think that this is part of the consequences of free speech. Someone might punch you. Maga are idiots, traitors for sure, but if we use American rules then yeah they have the right to be upset abou that. that being said, we are far past following American rules.nin my opinion.
It sucks we have to be manually approved by a person in order to post here. I’m almost a free speech absolutist, only doxing and threatening to physically harm someone or a group of people unjustifiably shouldnt be tolerated. Everything else is fair to use publicly.
AFAIK you don’t have to be manually approved to post here - because of how federation works, if you use an instance that is being federated with that doesn’t require approval, you’ll be able to post this - and if I’m not mistaken, because this is the big part, you can always host your own private instance that will automatically be federated with and post whatever you want, unless (and until) other instances (or communities) take offense and decide to block you from their own (privately hosted) services.
Spreading hatred - “Inciting violence for a person/group of people using baseless accusasions often for self-interests,
like fucking telling people to bully their classmates into suicide for being gay to get youtube podcast ad revenue and saying it’s ‘free speech’
as if you didn’t just do the equivalent of picking a random guy to report for murder because you got bored.”
I agree. I have to specify “lying” does not fall under free speech tho.
Free speech was never about the literal “talking” but for things like free press/journalism and discussing.
Free speech doesn’t mean people can just accuse others of rape and murder because they are bored.
People shouldn’t be able to say “gay muslim immigrants want to kill us all and establish communism,” and then act like 14 year olds being bullied into suicide is not their fault.
Especially when it’s for money or political campaigning. It’s not “free speech” to lie and incite violence for self-benefits.
That is understandable, but no one should be harmed for saying “group” are dumb, “group” are evil. Inciting violence against a person or group is wrong depending on how much influence the inciter has to cause real physical harm in the near future. Saying someone stole or SA’d with no proof or not good proof isnt part of free speech too.
All speech should be protected, even if the shirt character was replaced with a bIm guy
While the government shouldn’t be allowed to restrict speech, that doesn’t mean your speech shouldn’t have consequences.
In my old retail days, I used to regularly kick out people with offensive T Shirts.
You can wear your “Fuck You” T-shirt all you want, but I’m not going to let you come into my shop and insult all my customers, and perhaps cause them to leave.
No one should have to worry about being harmed physically or legally at least.
Nazi’s should be very afraid. They should live every moment in uncontrollable fear that they will get the pain they deserve
Nazis should always be in fear of being hurt. Nazis should be hurt. Are you one of the Nazis or just a simping moderate?
If it’s ok to punch nazis then it can open the door to punch other groups with different opinions.
Those who advocate for hate and the extermination of others should be concerned about their teachings being applied to themselves at any given moment. That’s why those who incite genocide are declared responsible for it, not the individuals carrying out parts of it, and that’s why they get hung.
Hanged*
Sorry, that one just gets me every time, and it seems like everyone always gets it wrong.
Advocating for violence against a group is wrong, but it shouldn’t be combatted with violence to silence them. The only reason they feel free to talk about genociding people is because they know they can censor and ban people who talk about doing it to them instead. In a nearly no censorship playing field everyone can be hit with the same type of hatred with no special censorship control for a few groups. If the hateful group convincess most people to be violent against a group it will only prove humanity isn’t worth saving.
Well I’m worried. I have a favorite hat I sewed an upside down American flag on. Too scared to wear it and get in a firefight with a MAGA goon. They will pick fights, been on the edge a few times. Wife’s a legal, brown immigrant. Can’t fuck around because of fear for her.
Too scared to plant an antifa flag in my yard. There will be a firefight if they come for me over that. Or if they come for my wife, for any reason.
Fuck me, even on this platform, I’m afraid to say too much. OTOH, some things I’ve said are basically a “dare ya” to the government.
Even having the means and skills to protect myself and my family, my speech has been stifled. And that’s America where I live, 2025.
While I agree with your previous comment, I think that this is part of the consequences of free speech. Someone might punch you. Maga are idiots, traitors for sure, but if we use American rules then yeah they have the right to be upset abou that. that being said, we are far past following American rules.nin my opinion.
It sucks we have to be manually approved by a person in order to post here. I’m almost a free speech absolutist, only doxing and threatening to physically harm someone or a group of people unjustifiably shouldnt be tolerated. Everything else is fair to use publicly.
AFAIK you don’t have to be manually approved to post here - because of how federation works, if you use an instance that is being federated with that doesn’t require approval, you’ll be able to post this - and if I’m not mistaken, because this is the big part, you can always host your own private instance that will automatically be federated with and post whatever you want, unless (and until) other instances (or communities) take offense and decide to block you from their own (privately hosted) services.
That is good news, im new here and have to learn a lot about how these instances work to make my own.
Spreading hatred, let alone hatred based on made up reasons, should not be legal.
That’s a slippery slope- trump is doing that with people correctly pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a dickhead.
A just society cannot tolerate intolerance
Yep.
How is that example a slippery slope? Most of what Trump does is criminal.
He wants to criminalize spreading hate about Charlie Kirk.
You personally gonna define hatred? No way that can go wrong.
Spreading hatred - “Inciting violence for a person/group of people using baseless accusasions often for self-interests,
like fucking telling people to bully their classmates into suicide for being gay to get youtube podcast ad revenue and saying it’s ‘free speech’
as if you didn’t just do the equivalent of picking a random guy to report for murder because you got bored.”
Right. There. Proves my point. Trump is saying words spoken against him are “inciting violence”.
I agree. I have to specify “lying” does not fall under free speech tho.
Free speech was never about the literal “talking” but for things like free press/journalism and discussing.
Free speech doesn’t mean people can just accuse others of rape and murder because they are bored.
People shouldn’t be able to say “gay muslim immigrants want to kill us all and establish communism,” and then act like 14 year olds being bullied into suicide is not their fault.
Especially when it’s for money or political campaigning. It’s not “free speech” to lie and incite violence for self-benefits.
That is understandable, but no one should be harmed for saying “group” are dumb, “group” are evil. Inciting violence against a person or group is wrong depending on how much influence the inciter has to cause real physical harm in the near future. Saying someone stole or SA’d with no proof or not good proof isnt part of free speech too.
Remember that child porn is technically speech.
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