They’re purging not only members of org but individual and group who are leftists. Also words from a sub member I mod, said they’re mass banning Illinois leftist subs and suspended all mod accounts to suppress spreading news that Gestapo is raiding in Chicago. Also deployed in PDX.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs

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    I’m pessimistic about organizing modern prisons.

    This isn’t the 20th century. Organizing in prisons was possible in the past because they could never hire enough guards to listen to every conversation or watch every corner, but with surveillance tech they actually can. They could feed all prison cameras and microphones into an LLM and then go after anyone who scores too low on their Good Behavior score.

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      Digitizing and incorporating that infrastructure into every aspect of this supposed “future” prison into each cell with staff would have an equal amount of draw-backs. It would quite literally be easier, cheaper and more efficient to firing-wall people than ever do that. Prison already suffer from chronic under-funding, under-staffing, morale and psyche issues as it is; even the most well-staffed/federal ones.

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        It really wouldn’t be that expensive to have a couple cameras and microphone in every cell and in all the public spaces, and then to feed the data from those cells to an algorithm to detect wrongthink. In fact, why not force every prisoner to wear their own camera and microphone? Understaffing, morale, and psyche issues are completely sidestepped by this technology.

        As for funding, since they can give even more money to their friends in the tech industry I don’t think it’ll be a problem.

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          that expensive to have a couple cameras and microphone in every cell and in all the public spaces

          They sort of already do this, though. Federal, at least.

          Understaffing, morale, and psyche issues are completely sidestepped by this technology.

          How? If even just one thing goes wrong, the technology could be entirely side-stepped by someone who is savvy enough. In climate disasters or general upheaval from the outside could side-step as well. It’d still need staff one way or another.

          friends in the tech industry

          You seem to forget the other half of the ruling class are religious fundamentalists who are a couple decades away from a full on death-cult.

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            How? If even just one thing goes wrong, the technology could be entirely side-stepped by someone who is savvy enough.

            I want you to imagine talking with someone and the conversation is being recorded and fed to an LLM.

            Do you think you could organize in those conditions without either one of you being caught? I really don’t think I could.

            In climate disasters or general upheaval from the outside could side-step as well.

            I just can’t imagine how anyone could organize from within the prison when every conversation and hand gesture and facial expression is recorded and fed into an algorithm. We aren’t to that point yet, but it’s coming.

            You seem to forget the other half of the ruling class are religious fundamentalists who are a couple decades away from a full on death-cult and have general ideological alignment with a solid chunk of Americans more than ghoulish technocrats.

            This group wants to just execute everyone in the prisons.

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              I want you to imagine talking with someone and the conversation is being recorded and fed to an LLM. Do you think you could organize in those conditions without either one of you being caught? I really don’t think I could.

              These networks, LLMs, etc have flaws just like any human would. Over time they would be exploited. People would eventually develop their own form of information warfare/LLMs against it.

              I just can’t imagine how anyone could organize from within the prison when every conversation and hand gesture and facial expression is recorded and fed into an algorithm. We aren’t to that point yet, but it’s coming.

              You’re dismissing the outside as I mentioned. This is a problem even for prisons now.

              This group wants to just execute everyone in the prisons.

              They’re probably the group likely to win in the right-wing power struggle.

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                You’re dismissing the outside as I mentioned. This is a problem even for prisons now.

                The exact opposite, I’m saying the outside is the only organizing that matters in these new conditions. Once you’re in and they have you under 24/7 surveillance the only hope is in your comrades on the outside. This technology isn’t impossible to beat, maybe someone could smuggle insider information to prisoners so they stand a chance, but it’s so much worse than anything we have ever faced before and I don’t know why you’re dismissing it.

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                  I don’t know why you’re dismissing it.

                  I’m not. People have had this same problem for close to a century now. You’ve heard of the panopticon, no? With every new invention, new generation of technology, etc people have always had the will and ability to overcome and surmount the challenges presented to them.

                  Once you’re in and they have you under 24/7 surveillance

                  Me saying and telling you that this already exists in federal prisons and that a LLM behind it makes no difference to me isn’t dismissing it. It’s me saying that this kind of technology and method of surveillance already exists, it just doesn’t have GPT behind it and I don’t really think putting GPT or a LLM behind it is going to make a difference. They are energy intensive and the scenario you’re describing has millions of people under individual surveillance which is already power-intensive as it is. There is no reason to shove hundreds of thousands more into prisons to keep an eye on them when the United States already has a plethora of individual surveillance spread out across multiple agencies with differing levels of intensity. If anything, there are plenty of prisons where guards specifically don’t do their jobs to control issues with overpopulation that is self-caused by cramming prisoners in as much as possible. They don’t really care to “surveil” each prisoner. There’s a reason the saying is “You can judge a nation by how it treats it’s prisoners”.

                  That’s why I’m saying I genuinely think a firing wall would come before a LLM suite in each and every cell monitoring each and every single person 24/7. The current method works just fine and is cruel, dehumanizing, etc. If anything, a LLM might actually get a prisoner medical care on time in comparison. I might go as far to say a LLM like that might genuinely be better than human care as it exists now.

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                    and I don’t really think putting GPT or a LLM behind it is going to make a difference

                    … so you’re dismissing it. You don’t think anything will change and this is the same struggle as the past century.

                    I think this technology enables stronger surveillance, to the point that I can’t imagine how to beat it. This is a break from the past panopticon that relied on humans, it’s new and much worse.