• lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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        9 days ago

        Bigots don’t debate in good faith. You can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into. All debating them does is provide a platform for them to spew their filth.

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          7 days ago

          The not arguing in good faith goes both ways, but people on the left & right can have good faith arguments while still disagreeing. Debates aren’t about making someone else agree with you at the end. It is about challenging each other’s ideas.

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            7 days ago

            Sure. But when one side is basing there arguments on misrepresenting statistics and outright lies it’s no longer a good faith debate and they shouldn’t have a platform to continue. This goes for either side but Kirk was guilty of it and got what was coming to him

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              7 days ago

              It isn’t an entire side. You can’t just see people in black & white. Many of these people are like past versions of ourselves, the ones that need people to guide them. You can’t force everyone to see things from your point of view. A lot of times they just need good examples. If they aren’t arguing in good faith, then try a different strategy or call them out. Or change the discussion to how you feel they’re not being honest, and ask them why they feel the need to lie. Just be genuine but violence doesn’t solve things. It will hurt the causes you care about more than anything else right now.