In a society with a strong commitment to democracy and honoring the social contract, tolerance, even of ideas you don’t approve of, is an excellent ideal
In a society with rapidly eroding civil liberties and authoritarian disregard for the social contract, tolerance of authoritarianism is a luxury ill afforded.
Given that Kirk was demonstrably intolerant, and happy to leverage authoritarianism to accomplish his goals, he egregiously violated the social contract.
Given the rapidly dawning realization that nothing will meaningfully improve for the lower and middle classes until the elites fear for their lives, a lurch towards violence is expected.
The great depression and the progressice policies that arise from ir were somewhat driven by violence and the resulting fear in the elites.
Please tell me what you’ve done yourself… how many campaigns have you ran to try to oppose the things you’re against? Do you have records that you tried & that there is just no other solution? Spare me your advocacy for violence until you can show me that you’re not just too lazy to try anything else.
I’m also guessing based on your level of not wanting to put work into the things you claim to care about, it isn’t going to bode so well during actual civil unrest & violence like frequent assassinations of politicians, leading to a potential civil war. It also sounds very anti-democratic.
If you want to see America devolve into a complete authoritarian & fascist nation, then by all means keep advocating for violence against the people you disagree with.
Sorry, I didn’t realize there was going to be an audit.
What you’re looking for doesn’t have much backing in the historical record:
After Francisco Franco’s death in 1975, Spain transitioned from a fascist-style dictatorship to a parliamentary democracy. Franco had to die (natural causes) before democracy returned.
Same for Tito, but that didn’t last, unfortunately.
Portugal’s Estado Novo dictatorship (1933–1974) ended with the Carnation Revolution, a nearly bloodless military coup. But still, a coup. Not exactly by writing strongly worded letters.
In Greece, he military junta (1967–1974) collapsed after the Cyprus crisis.
General Augusto Pinochet’s military dictatorship (1973–1990) ended after he lost a national plebiscite in 1988. However, ridiculous amounts of violence predated that on the course of his authoritarianism.
After decades of authoritarian military rule, mass protests in 1987 pressured the regime into accepting constitutional reforms. By my reading “mass protests”==elites fearing for their lives, or at least their standard of living.
How about the list of the opposite?
Nazi Germany
Fascist Italy
Nicolae Ceaușescu’s communist dictatorship collapsed in the Romanian Revolution:
Protests escalated into armed clashes; over 1,000 people were killed.
Ceaușescu and his wife were captured, tried in a show trial, and executed on Christmas Day.
Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule ended in the Libyan Civil War.
Bashar al-Assad’s authoritarian regime in Syria faced mass protests in 2011.
The regime’s violent crackdown triggered a full-scale civil war.
Russia, 2017 The Tsarist autocracy collapsed in the Russian Revolution.
Aftermath of USSR:
Baltics (1991): Soviet troops tried to suppress independence movements in Lithuania and Latvia. In Vilnius, 14 civilians were killed when tanks stormed the TV tower.
Caucasus: Ethnic clashes in Georgia (1989) and Azerbaijan (1990) left dozens dead.
Post-Soviet conflicts: After independence, wars erupted in places like Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and later Chechnya, costing tens of thousands of lives.
Cambodia: The Khmer Rouge regime under Pol Pot (1975–1979) ended not by reform but by foreign invasion.
I’m not advocating violence. I’m observing that history suggests it’s not unlikely.
If you believe it is unlikely to stop it, then why do you sit so idly by? I think it is bizarre what the people did on Jan 6., but in a way you’re basically saying… well they had the right idea, but not the right reasons.
As much as I disagree with them, at least they actually had the audacity to do what they did… but you’re telling me, “No… I am not brave or bold enough to champion what I claim to support.”
I think you should spend more time studying the actual aftermath, the impact, what that would look like for Americans.
Dictatorships do collapse but we’re on a second term of Trump who was elected by the people & as much as I hate it that Kamala decided she wanted to be a neocon towards the end thinking it would help her win, nothing suggests that the 2028 election has been canceled at this point.
I don’t even think we’re facing a dictatorship of power by a single person, but a corpocracy. I think if you want to fight that system then you’re going to have to convince yourself & others to stop funding it. I don’t think you’re going to tear it down by replacing one corporate politician with another.
You’re looking for a moral and just solution against an opponent who respects neither morality nor justice.
Best case in my opinion is massive, prolonged national strikes. The Solidarity movement in Poland is a good model for this. But it’s going to require 3-5% of the population to be very desperate and some organizational leadership to arise.
The fascists know this, which is why they’re moving to criminalize opposition, starting with the designation of ‘antifa’ as a terrorist organization. I assume that the definition of who is a terrorist expands, probably quickly, so that participation in peaceful protest is criminalized.
Removing the right of peaceful change tends to lead towards violence, historically speaking.
I’m agnostic, but good to know that Jesus loves me. I have enough love for myself that I don’t need admiration from everyone else. This sounds more like a confession or projection than anything. I hope you can find love for yourself.
In a society with a strong commitment to democracy and honoring the social contract, tolerance, even of ideas you don’t approve of, is an excellent ideal
In a society with rapidly eroding civil liberties and authoritarian disregard for the social contract, tolerance of authoritarianism is a luxury ill afforded.
Given that Kirk was demonstrably intolerant, and happy to leverage authoritarianism to accomplish his goals, he egregiously violated the social contract.
Given the rapidly dawning realization that nothing will meaningfully improve for the lower and middle classes until the elites fear for their lives, a lurch towards violence is expected.
The great depression and the progressice policies that arise from ir were somewhat driven by violence and the resulting fear in the elites.
Examples:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_West_Coast_waterfront_strike Leasing to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_of_1935
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_sit-down_strike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_Movement
Please tell me what you’ve done yourself… how many campaigns have you ran to try to oppose the things you’re against? Do you have records that you tried & that there is just no other solution? Spare me your advocacy for violence until you can show me that you’re not just too lazy to try anything else.
I’m also guessing based on your level of not wanting to put work into the things you claim to care about, it isn’t going to bode so well during actual civil unrest & violence like frequent assassinations of politicians, leading to a potential civil war. It also sounds very anti-democratic.
If you want to see America devolve into a complete authoritarian & fascist nation, then by all means keep advocating for violence against the people you disagree with.
Sorry, I didn’t realize there was going to be an audit.
What you’re looking for doesn’t have much backing in the historical record: After Francisco Franco’s death in 1975, Spain transitioned from a fascist-style dictatorship to a parliamentary democracy. Franco had to die (natural causes) before democracy returned.
Same for Tito, but that didn’t last, unfortunately.
Portugal’s Estado Novo dictatorship (1933–1974) ended with the Carnation Revolution, a nearly bloodless military coup. But still, a coup. Not exactly by writing strongly worded letters.
In Greece, he military junta (1967–1974) collapsed after the Cyprus crisis.
General Augusto Pinochet’s military dictatorship (1973–1990) ended after he lost a national plebiscite in 1988. However, ridiculous amounts of violence predated that on the course of his authoritarianism.
After decades of authoritarian military rule, mass protests in 1987 pressured the regime into accepting constitutional reforms. By my reading “mass protests”==elites fearing for their lives, or at least their standard of living.
How about the list of the opposite? Nazi Germany
Fascist Italy
Nicolae Ceaușescu’s communist dictatorship collapsed in the Romanian Revolution: Protests escalated into armed clashes; over 1,000 people were killed.
Ceaușescu and his wife were captured, tried in a show trial, and executed on Christmas Day.
Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule ended in the Libyan Civil War.
Bashar al-Assad’s authoritarian regime in Syria faced mass protests in 2011. The regime’s violent crackdown triggered a full-scale civil war.
Russia, 2017 The Tsarist autocracy collapsed in the Russian Revolution.
Aftermath of USSR: Baltics (1991): Soviet troops tried to suppress independence movements in Lithuania and Latvia. In Vilnius, 14 civilians were killed when tanks stormed the TV tower.
Caucasus: Ethnic clashes in Georgia (1989) and Azerbaijan (1990) left dozens dead.
Post-Soviet conflicts: After independence, wars erupted in places like Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and later Chechnya, costing tens of thousands of lives.
Cambodia: The Khmer Rouge regime under Pol Pot (1975–1979) ended not by reform but by foreign invasion.
I’m not advocating violence. I’m observing that history suggests it’s not unlikely.
Woo lad, an absolute smack down with sources by a porn alt account. What a time to be alive!
If you believe it is unlikely to stop it, then why do you sit so idly by? I think it is bizarre what the people did on Jan 6., but in a way you’re basically saying… well they had the right idea, but not the right reasons.
As much as I disagree with them, at least they actually had the audacity to do what they did… but you’re telling me, “No… I am not brave or bold enough to champion what I claim to support.”
I think you should spend more time studying the actual aftermath, the impact, what that would look like for Americans.
Dictatorships do collapse but we’re on a second term of Trump who was elected by the people & as much as I hate it that Kamala decided she wanted to be a neocon towards the end thinking it would help her win, nothing suggests that the 2028 election has been canceled at this point.
I don’t even think we’re facing a dictatorship of power by a single person, but a corpocracy. I think if you want to fight that system then you’re going to have to convince yourself & others to stop funding it. I don’t think you’re going to tear it down by replacing one corporate politician with another.
You’re looking for a moral and just solution against an opponent who respects neither morality nor justice.
Best case in my opinion is massive, prolonged national strikes. The Solidarity movement in Poland is a good model for this. But it’s going to require 3-5% of the population to be very desperate and some organizational leadership to arise.
The fascists know this, which is why they’re moving to criminalize opposition, starting with the designation of ‘antifa’ as a terrorist organization. I assume that the definition of who is a terrorist expands, probably quickly, so that participation in peaceful protest is criminalized.
Removing the right of peaceful change tends to lead towards violence, historically speaking.
Jesus may love you, but the rest of the world thinks you’re a cunt
I’m agnostic, but good to know that Jesus loves me. I have enough love for myself that I don’t need admiration from everyone else. This sounds more like a confession or projection than anything. I hope you can find love for yourself.
And you point is? You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.