• obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com
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    10 days ago

    Sorry, I didn’t realize there was going to be an audit.

    What you’re looking for doesn’t have much backing in the historical record: After Francisco Franco’s death in 1975, Spain transitioned from a fascist-style dictatorship to a parliamentary democracy. Franco had to die (natural causes) before democracy returned.

    Same for Tito, but that didn’t last, unfortunately.

    Portugal’s Estado Novo dictatorship (1933–1974) ended with the Carnation Revolution, a nearly bloodless military coup. But still, a coup. Not exactly by writing strongly worded letters.

    In Greece, he military junta (1967–1974) collapsed after the Cyprus crisis.

    General Augusto Pinochet’s military dictatorship (1973–1990) ended after he lost a national plebiscite in 1988. However, ridiculous amounts of violence predated that on the course of his authoritarianism.

    After decades of authoritarian military rule, mass protests in 1987 pressured the regime into accepting constitutional reforms. By my reading “mass protests”==elites fearing for their lives, or at least their standard of living.

    How about the list of the opposite? Nazi Germany

    Fascist Italy

    Nicolae Ceaușescu’s communist dictatorship collapsed in the Romanian Revolution: Protests escalated into armed clashes; over 1,000 people were killed.

    Ceaușescu and his wife were captured, tried in a show trial, and executed on Christmas Day.

    Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule ended in the Libyan Civil War.

    Bashar al-Assad’s authoritarian regime in Syria faced mass protests in 2011. The regime’s violent crackdown triggered a full-scale civil war.

    Russia, 2017 The Tsarist autocracy collapsed in the Russian Revolution.

    Aftermath of USSR: Baltics (1991): Soviet troops tried to suppress independence movements in Lithuania and Latvia. In Vilnius, 14 civilians were killed when tanks stormed the TV tower.

    Caucasus: Ethnic clashes in Georgia (1989) and Azerbaijan (1990) left dozens dead.

    Post-Soviet conflicts: After independence, wars erupted in places like Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and later Chechnya, costing tens of thousands of lives.

    Cambodia: The Khmer Rouge regime under Pol Pot (1975–1979) ended not by reform but by foreign invasion.

    I’m not advocating violence. I’m observing that history suggests it’s not unlikely.

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      10 days ago

      If you believe it is unlikely to stop it, then why do you sit so idly by? I think it is bizarre what the people did on Jan 6., but in a way you’re basically saying… well they had the right idea, but not the right reasons.

      As much as I disagree with them, at least they actually had the audacity to do what they did… but you’re telling me, “No… I am not brave or bold enough to champion what I claim to support.”

      I think you should spend more time studying the actual aftermath, the impact, what that would look like for Americans.

      Dictatorships do collapse but we’re on a second term of Trump who was elected by the people & as much as I hate it that Kamala decided she wanted to be a neocon towards the end thinking it would help her win, nothing suggests that the 2028 election has been canceled at this point.

      I don’t even think we’re facing a dictatorship of power by a single person, but a corpocracy. I think if you want to fight that system then you’re going to have to convince yourself & others to stop funding it. I don’t think you’re going to tear it down by replacing one corporate politician with another.

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        10 days ago

        You’re looking for a moral and just solution against an opponent who respects neither morality nor justice.

        Best case in my opinion is massive, prolonged national strikes. The Solidarity movement in Poland is a good model for this. But it’s going to require 3-5% of the population to be very desperate and some organizational leadership to arise.

        The fascists know this, which is why they’re moving to criminalize opposition, starting with the designation of ‘antifa’ as a terrorist organization. I assume that the definition of who is a terrorist expands, probably quickly, so that participation in peaceful protest is criminalized.

        Removing the right of peaceful change tends to lead towards violence, historically speaking.

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          9 days ago

          I’m agnostic, but good to know that Jesus loves me. I have enough love for myself that I don’t need admiration from everyone else. This sounds more like a confession or projection than anything. I hope you can find love for yourself.