totally. the Epstein files is our bridge to the people who don’t think all the extrajudicial violence is real, or worse, they think it’s thwarting sex traffickers in league with Epstein and his associates rather than being enacted by a main associate.
we have to resist the extrajudicial violence, but we have to make it abundantly clear that extrajudicial violence is being used as weaponized distraction because it is. it’s the best way to stop it
It’s also just so weird that this sentiment seems to be popping up out of nowhere. If I didn’t recognize OP’s username, I’d definitely think it was an organized campaign from some TotallynotBotFarm
100% agreed on what you said. Epstein is breaking people on the right, why would we stop talking about it? We want as many people as possible to see how bad they fucked up
i understand the root of the sentiment. it’s exhausting talking to people in a cult to get them out of the cult about the things the cult talks about. this is also why i think in a rising era of state based religious fascism, atheists and agnostics need to study theology. people who are resisting the fascism have to know how to make propaganda that works on the masses in thrall that can be shifted. not doing it is just kind of letting the fascists win, and that’s not an acceptaple outcome. i understand not wanting to do it because you’re not interested, but these times demand empathetic self sacrifice to create a future in which we can just not study things we’re not interested in
I grew up religious so I know exactly what you’re talking about. You can’t convince someone on the right with the same logic as someone on the left.
It’s generally better to give someone the facts and let them come to their own conclusion than to spell it out for them but that’s especially true with the religious right.
But we don’t have to convince them that pedophiles are bad. We don’t have to harp on the likelihood that Trump is one. We just have to agree that Epstein was a sex trafficker, that there’s powerful people protecting his clients, and the government holds the key to prosecuting them.
Want a shortcut? “When is Trump going to hold Bill Clinton and the other pedo democrats accountable?”
If I didn’t recognize OP’s username, I’d definitely think it was an organized campaign from some TotallynotBotFarm
Maybe you should reevaluate your immediate reaction to dissent if your first thought is ‘bot farm’ and not ‘another person just has a different take than me.’
OP is not the only one suddenly voicing this opinion. I had never seen it before last week and now there’s been a dozen posts/comments on this pretty bad take.
But regardless, people said the same thing about the protest non-voters. They’re just voicing their opinions, right?
If you don’t think there are literally people who aren’t bots who think things you don’t there is nothing I can add to this conversation.
It’s kind of funny that you also decide that seeing an opinion somewhere multiple times is evidence of a conspiracy and not like… people getting sick of annoying shit.
I do think that but it doesn’t change my point at all. The group most vocally opposed to releasing the files is currently running the country. Why would I not find it weird that someone from the left is telling us to get over it?
Kind of funny that you think a rightwing campaign to change public opinion “from the inside” is so unheard of that someone would be weird to raise an eyebrow to this
no for sure. but i’m not talking about the origins of the extrajudicial violence, i’m talking about how to end it. to do that we need more allies, and to gain more allies we need messaging that reaches the people who don’t understand that the cruelty is the point, and think it’s a means to an end. we need to be pointing out that in all this chaos, killing, and violence that epstein’s clients have gotten no closer to justice, and many have gained power. we need to be pointing out that organized crime outfits thrive in these conditions. the chaos, killing, and violence is a tool of the pedophiles, not a tool that slows them down.
we have to let go of our pride and let go of being correct, a little bit. it’s not about knowing better than the conservatives, it’s about showing the conservatives who are possible to change the error of their ways in a way that they’ll understand. we’ll never survive if we’re too dedicated to purity of action to take actions that will help us long term.
Trump got convicted of rape in court. There’s the pictures and letters he sent to epstein. He has said publicly he wants to fuck his daughter, and admitted to peeping on young girlds changing.
He’s had so many other scandals. Why is this one more special? His supporters will either pretend the files were altered, or deflect in other ways.
That’s not to say the files don’t matter, but they won’t change much at this point.
His supporters have wanted its release for 6 years
Their dear leader has was talking about the Epstein files nonstop up until he had the opportunity to release them. If you think there’s not TONS of pissed off Trump voters, you haven’t been paying attention.
I have been paying attention. They only cared because “the corrupt democrats” were on it. The files were only a pawn, and most of his supports have already starting saying they don’t matter.
No dingus, we just can’t DO anything with the Epstein case, the king owns the judicial branch and his kingdom doesn’t care about it. It’s a dead-end while we CAN in fact fight on the front of demanding the admin hold to the constitution for freedom of speech, because without that we won’t even SEE things like the Epstein scandal.
It’s not the same, you just have to soothe the butthurt that we can’t keep calling everything else bad that happens a “distraction” because the other things that are happening are real and bad and they will destroy us.
Why does “Trump owns the government so nothing will happen” apply to the Epstein files but not anything else you’re talking about?
The point has been made elsewhere on this thread - voters on the right care about the Epstein files, they don’t care about the civil rights of minorities.
“They’re abducting people!” is met with hatred for minorities but “they’re protecting pedophiles by not releasing the list” is met with disgust and hatred for kid diddlers
Is “forget about the Epstein files, they don’t matter” the new “dont vote for Harris, she supports genocide”?
totally. the Epstein files is our bridge to the people who don’t think all the extrajudicial violence is real, or worse, they think it’s thwarting sex traffickers in league with Epstein and his associates rather than being enacted by a main associate.
we have to resist the extrajudicial violence, but we have to make it abundantly clear that extrajudicial violence is being used as weaponized distraction because it is. it’s the best way to stop it
It’s also just so weird that this sentiment seems to be popping up out of nowhere. If I didn’t recognize OP’s username, I’d definitely think it was an organized campaign from some TotallynotBotFarm
100% agreed on what you said. Epstein is breaking people on the right, why would we stop talking about it? We want as many people as possible to see how bad they fucked up
i understand the root of the sentiment. it’s exhausting talking to people in a cult to get them out of the cult about the things the cult talks about. this is also why i think in a rising era of state based religious fascism, atheists and agnostics need to study theology. people who are resisting the fascism have to know how to make propaganda that works on the masses in thrall that can be shifted. not doing it is just kind of letting the fascists win, and that’s not an acceptaple outcome. i understand not wanting to do it because you’re not interested, but these times demand empathetic self sacrifice to create a future in which we can just not study things we’re not interested in
i feel like i’m not making sense
I grew up religious so I know exactly what you’re talking about. You can’t convince someone on the right with the same logic as someone on the left.
It’s generally better to give someone the facts and let them come to their own conclusion than to spell it out for them but that’s especially true with the religious right.
But we don’t have to convince them that pedophiles are bad. We don’t have to harp on the likelihood that Trump is one. We just have to agree that Epstein was a sex trafficker, that there’s powerful people protecting his clients, and the government holds the key to prosecuting them.
Want a shortcut? “When is Trump going to hold Bill Clinton and the other pedo democrats accountable?”
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Maybe you should reevaluate your immediate reaction to dissent if your first thought is ‘bot farm’ and not ‘another person just has a different take than me.’
OP is not the only one suddenly voicing this opinion. I had never seen it before last week and now there’s been a dozen posts/comments on this pretty bad take.
But regardless, people said the same thing about the protest non-voters. They’re just voicing their opinions, right?
If you don’t think there are literally people who aren’t bots who think things you don’t there is nothing I can add to this conversation.
It’s kind of funny that you also decide that seeing an opinion somewhere multiple times is evidence of a conspiracy and not like… people getting sick of annoying shit.
I do think that but it doesn’t change my point at all. The group most vocally opposed to releasing the files is currently running the country. Why would I not find it weird that someone from the left is telling us to get over it?
Kind of funny that you think a rightwing campaign to change public opinion “from the inside” is so unheard of that someone would be weird to raise an eyebrow to this
You could try finding anyone anywhere in this thread saying that, but you would fail.
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The extrajudicial violence is the goal, not a means to an end.
no for sure. but i’m not talking about the origins of the extrajudicial violence, i’m talking about how to end it. to do that we need more allies, and to gain more allies we need messaging that reaches the people who don’t understand that the cruelty is the point, and think it’s a means to an end. we need to be pointing out that in all this chaos, killing, and violence that epstein’s clients have gotten no closer to justice, and many have gained power. we need to be pointing out that organized crime outfits thrive in these conditions. the chaos, killing, and violence is a tool of the pedophiles, not a tool that slows them down.
we have to let go of our pride and let go of being correct, a little bit. it’s not about knowing better than the conservatives, it’s about showing the conservatives who are possible to change the error of their ways in a way that they’ll understand. we’ll never survive if we’re too dedicated to purity of action to take actions that will help us long term.
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Trump got convicted of rape in court. There’s the pictures and letters he sent to epstein. He has said publicly he wants to fuck his daughter, and admitted to peeping on young girlds changing. He’s had so many other scandals. Why is this one more special? His supporters will either pretend the files were altered, or deflect in other ways.
That’s not to say the files don’t matter, but they won’t change much at this point.
His supporters have wanted its release for 6 years
Their dear leader has was talking about the Epstein files nonstop up until he had the opportunity to release them. If you think there’s not TONS of pissed off Trump voters, you haven’t been paying attention.
I have been paying attention. They only cared because “the corrupt democrats” were on it. The files were only a pawn, and most of his supports have already starting saying they don’t matter.
That makes a lot of sense to me, actually.
No dingus, we just can’t DO anything with the Epstein case, the king owns the judicial branch and his kingdom doesn’t care about it. It’s a dead-end while we CAN in fact fight on the front of demanding the admin hold to the constitution for freedom of speech, because without that we won’t even SEE things like the Epstein scandal.
It’s not the same, you just have to soothe the butthurt that we can’t keep calling everything else bad that happens a “distraction” because the other things that are happening are real and bad and they will destroy us.
Why does “Trump owns the government so nothing will happen” apply to the Epstein files but not anything else you’re talking about?
The point has been made elsewhere on this thread - voters on the right care about the Epstein files, they don’t care about the civil rights of minorities.
“They’re abducting people!” is met with hatred for minorities but “they’re protecting pedophiles by not releasing the list” is met with disgust and hatred for kid diddlers