This country was founded on the murder of natives and the exploitation of slaves/immigrants: that foundation has reverberated throughout our entire history. Government/corporate policy, often racist and sexist, works to maintain a permanent under class of exploited workers that provide cheap labor for the ruling class (e.g., sharecropping, Jim Crow, redlining, denial of reproductive rights, corporate offshoring, ever-increasing cost of living, etc.).
Not to mention the devastation that America has inflicted on the developing world. Obvious examples include millions of civilian casualties during our wars in Asia and the Middle East, foreign resource extraction that provides us with cheap consumer good (e.g., banana republics in South America, slave mines for metals in the Congo, etc.), and CIA operations that have been openly declassified (e.g., overthrowing presidents, installing dictators, disseminating propaganda) because this country can’t even pretend to live up to its professed ideals. Any serious study of American history suggests this country has never been “great” in anything beside our wasteful military expenditure and our inexhaustible favoritism of the wealthy. Trump is revealing how sick this country has always been and anyone who wants to go back to “normal” doesn’t understand what brought us here.
The shittiest part is that arguably, the US deserves this for all of the terrible things we’ve done. On the other hand, the people that will suffer the worst are the most vulnerable populations.
And of course, I don’t want to be subjected to this either, but… yeah.
What a non-response. Pick whichever year you like, America has never lived up to its professed ideals. For example, in school we learn that the U.S. is a melting pot: “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses!!”
Except, immigrants who would now be considered White faced significant racial discrimination in the 1800s, Chinese immigrants faced racism/horrible working conditions, Obama deported more than Trump did in his first term, and now Trump is kidnapping immigrants off of the street. This country is rotten to its core.
TBH I didn’t really see any relevant points in your first reply worth arguing. You’re just saying children now need to suffer and die because of something people in the late 15th to 18th centuries decided to do, that nothing ever changes, ever has or ever will.
We shouldn’t continue to treat people like shit because our ancestors treated their ancestors like shit.
“Blacks where enslaved and even after being released we’re never allowed to build equity and generational wealth in America and when they tried we killed them for it, but we passed the civil right s act so they really need to learn to integrate and stop doing crime and ghettos” is the dumb take we fight against today.
But DEI is just targeted class correction which is why it triggers the racists, but what needs to happen is that class equalization needs to happen across racial, ethnic, regional, generational boundaries.
No one (well, extremely few) does crime if they can make a good living. Stop taking away opportunities and driving people into their survival instinct.
You’re going to sit there and say the Civil Rights Acts were ineffective and pointless? It sounds to me like the biggest advocate against racial equality here is you.
I think their argument was not that the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation have done nothing, but that they haven’t done enough yet, and that people who like to pretend that “because we have passed certain of these laws, the work is done and everything is equal now, our best option is to pretend racism is all gone and just let every compete fairly in the all-better world” are either dreaming or lying.
It didn’t feel like they were praising the progress we’ve achieved so far and advocating for further progress in the same vein. It feels like they’re siding with Balderdash that the one and only solution is violently destroying the system as it currently exists, which to me feels like it would create more bad outcomes and destroy the balance between western democracies and eastern autocracies.
On the contrary, as the contradictions become more apparent we will be forced to decide between fascism or radical systemic change. Just as the status quo of feudal surfs came to an end, so too must this current system.
Fascism has already won and the racial minorities, religious minorities, LGBT people, women, disabled, etc etc were fucked the moment they announced he was the winner in November 2024. They’re already suffering the consequences. They’re already dying in many cases. Things are on fire. We are in a tar pit.
Just because the dipshit fascists got into office doesn’t suddenly mean people are going to start a grand socialist revolution you fucking retard. Do you really think liberals and socialists are going to join together and sacrifice themselves for some fucking utopia when both of them blame the other for our current predicament? DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW FUCKING PETTY PEOPLE ARE?
At best, this will pass and things will simply be worse after a harrowing 4 years of incompetent fascist leadership. Innocent people will suffer and die in the mean time for no reason but after the world will lurch forward towards a dimmer and more fragile tomorrow. Maybe we’re alive but entropy is getting a boost.
At worst, we will sink as we point fingers at each other. We will drown in shit quickly, and little to nothing will be left.
This is just failure, and you are completely deluded to think otherwise.
Cynical and bitter mutualist & consequentialist. I hate accelerationists and their apologists as much as I hate fascists. I don’t have access to this account during weekends.
Your profile description is shockingly accurate. Like holy shit that gave me a laugh. Thanks for that hon.
Good luck with that. In the meantime we’ll be working towards the only successful mode of change ever practiced in the USA, and the most consistently successful method ever practiced in our species history: democratic election of representatives who promote the reforms we need to help people and save lives.
This country was founded on the murder of natives and the exploitation of slaves/immigrants: that foundation has reverberated throughout our entire history. Government/corporate policy, often racist and sexist, works to maintain a permanent under class of exploited workers that provide cheap labor for the ruling class (e.g., sharecropping, Jim Crow, redlining, denial of reproductive rights, corporate offshoring, ever-increasing cost of living, etc.).
Not to mention the devastation that America has inflicted on the developing world. Obvious examples include millions of civilian casualties during our wars in Asia and the Middle East, foreign resource extraction that provides us with cheap consumer good (e.g., banana republics in South America, slave mines for metals in the Congo, etc.), and CIA operations that have been openly declassified (e.g., overthrowing presidents, installing dictators, disseminating propaganda) because this country can’t even pretend to live up to its professed ideals. Any serious study of American history suggests this country has never been “great” in anything beside our wasteful military expenditure and our inexhaustible favoritism of the wealthy. Trump is revealing how sick this country has always been and anyone who wants to go back to “normal” doesn’t understand what brought us here.
Pretty sure people who want things to go back to normal aren’t asking for share cropping to come back.
The shittiest part is that arguably, the US deserves this for all of the terrible things we’ve done. On the other hand, the people that will suffer the worst are the most vulnerable populations.
And of course, I don’t want to be subjected to this either, but… yeah.
Wow so I guess things really were bad in the Obama admin with all the Native American eradication campaigns.
Definitely nothing happened between 1621 and 2008.
/s
What a non-response. Pick whichever year you like, America has never lived up to its professed ideals. For example, in school we learn that the U.S. is a melting pot: “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses!!”
Except, immigrants who would now be considered White faced significant racial discrimination in the 1800s, Chinese immigrants faced racism/horrible working conditions, Obama deported more than Trump did in his first term, and now Trump is kidnapping immigrants off of the street. This country is rotten to its core.
TBH I didn’t really see any relevant points in your first reply worth arguing. You’re just saying children now need to suffer and die because of something people in the late 15th to 18th centuries decided to do, that nothing ever changes, ever has or ever will.
We shouldn’t continue to treat people like shit because our ancestors treated their ancestors like shit.
“Blacks where enslaved and even after being released we’re never allowed to build equity and generational wealth in America and when they tried we killed them for it, but we passed the civil right s act so they really need to learn to integrate and stop doing crime and ghettos” is the dumb take we fight against today.
But DEI is just targeted class correction which is why it triggers the racists, but what needs to happen is that class equalization needs to happen across racial, ethnic, regional, generational boundaries.
No one (well, extremely few) does crime if they can make a good living. Stop taking away opportunities and driving people into their survival instinct.
You’re going to sit there and say the Civil Rights Acts were ineffective and pointless? It sounds to me like the biggest advocate against racial equality here is you.
I think their argument was not that the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation have done nothing, but that they haven’t done enough yet, and that people who like to pretend that “because we have passed certain of these laws, the work is done and everything is equal now, our best option is to pretend racism is all gone and just let every compete fairly in the all-better world” are either dreaming or lying.
It didn’t feel like they were praising the progress we’ve achieved so far and advocating for further progress in the same vein. It feels like they’re siding with Balderdash that the one and only solution is violently destroying the system as it currently exists, which to me feels like it would create more bad outcomes and destroy the balance between western democracies and eastern autocracies.
On the contrary, as the contradictions become more apparent we will be forced to decide between fascism or radical systemic change. Just as the status quo of feudal surfs came to an end, so too must this current system.
Fascism has already won and the racial minorities, religious minorities, LGBT people, women, disabled, etc etc were fucked the moment they announced he was the winner in November 2024. They’re already suffering the consequences. They’re already dying in many cases. Things are on fire. We are in a tar pit.
Just because the dipshit fascists got into office doesn’t suddenly mean people are going to start a grand socialist revolution you fucking retard. Do you really think liberals and socialists are going to join together and sacrifice themselves for some fucking utopia when both of them blame the other for our current predicament? DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW FUCKING PETTY PEOPLE ARE?
At best, this will pass and things will simply be worse after a harrowing 4 years of incompetent fascist leadership. Innocent people will suffer and die in the mean time for no reason but after the world will lurch forward towards a dimmer and more fragile tomorrow. Maybe we’re alive but entropy is getting a boost.
At worst, we will sink as we point fingers at each other. We will drown in shit quickly, and little to nothing will be left.
This is just failure, and you are completely deluded to think otherwise.
Your profile description is shockingly accurate. Like holy shit that gave me a laugh. Thanks for that hon.
Good luck with that. In the meantime we’ll be working towards the only successful mode of change ever practiced in the USA, and the most consistently successful method ever practiced in our species history: democratic election of representatives who promote the reforms we need to help people and save lives.