Vader was talking about the Force as the will of the universe to make fate manifest itself. A Force user, properly attuned, would be able to sense the way the future was meant to unfold, and position themselves accordingly or (in Sith ideology), impose their vision of the future on reality. This was how Palpatine became emperor; he could see that the Force intended for massive galactic upheaval to take place, and was able to maneuver himself into winding up on top of the new status quo.
Yes, the Death Star was able to physically destroy a planet, but it was also the will of the Force that the Death Star and everyone on board should in turn be destroyed, and that all of their political goals should come to nothing, and there was nothing any of them could do about it. That is the true power of the Force.
Yeah, but a 19 year old farm boy who “used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16” was able to take out a multiquadrillion dollar military base in one shot with the Force. Force beats Death Star.
It was still a very hard shot. Lots of older more experienced pilots using dedicated bombing craft and advanced targeting computers failed. Luke made the million to one shot raw using a fighter craft. That’s hard.
Or sense that his long lost comrade in arms and former master was on board the station … or that his son was there too … or that he had just finished interrogating his own daughter.
He didn’t even know he had a son or daughter, so how’s he supposed to sense them? It’s possible he sensed something with Leia, but didn’t know what it was.
As for Luke and Obi-Wan it could easily be argued that Ben was cloaking them in the force. Especially since Vader did begin to sense Kenobi’s presence, but only after he had finished disabling the tractor beam and was trying to lure Vader away from Luke and Leia escaping.
I recently rewatched the original trilogy for the first time in a long while and I forgot how underpowered Darth Vader is in those movies. My personal favourite show of his strength with the force is from
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The ending of Jedi Fallen Order [link]. His effortless flick without even thinking about it is so badass.
he is as strong as he needs to be for a compelling story. not sure who said something like that (maybe stan lee?). i dont know a single person who watched the original trilogy and did not see vader as a terrifying force.
yes, he did not show as much raw power as in some later media. but he left such an impression, that he still is one of the favourite antagonists now. in videogames, usually the player is served a power fantasy. so the antagonists also needs to up his power by a significant amount. otherwise he woud just be another goon.
I don’t disagree, and I was terrified of him as a child (but also loved him at the same time). But seeing modern media with him in it and then going back to his debut is a bit jarring. He’s still a badass but not quite as ridiculously overpowered as in other media.
And he was right: while Death Star was able to destroy a whole planet in seconds, D.Vader struggled to choke a single not defending guy.
maybe you would also struggle to be a wizard if you were half defective cyborg did you think of that
If I were a defective cyber-wizard, I would keep my snarky comments quiet and be glad to have an emperor as a comrade.
Vader was talking about the Force as the will of the universe to make fate manifest itself. A Force user, properly attuned, would be able to sense the way the future was meant to unfold, and position themselves accordingly or (in Sith ideology), impose their vision of the future on reality. This was how Palpatine became emperor; he could see that the Force intended for massive galactic upheaval to take place, and was able to maneuver himself into winding up on top of the new status quo.
Yes, the Death Star was able to physically destroy a planet, but it was also the will of the Force that the Death Star and everyone on board should in turn be destroyed, and that all of their political goals should come to nothing, and there was nothing any of them could do about it. That is the true power of the Force.
Yeah, but a 19 year old farm boy who “used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16” was able to take out a multiquadrillion dollar military base in one shot with the Force. Force beats Death Star.
They should not have made its one weakness shaped like and approximately the size of a womp rat.
Nah, just poor engineering by the Nazis.
It was still a very hard shot. Lots of older more experienced pilots using dedicated bombing craft and advanced targeting computers failed. Luke made the million to one shot raw using a fighter craft. That’s hard.
Sure, but no harder than killing the Final Boss in a video game, which any teenager can handle.
The real problem was the open door left by some dumb Imperial Engineer who was hired for his idealogically purity, and not his competence.
Or sense that his long lost comrade in arms and former master was on board the station … or that his son was there too … or that he had just finished interrogating his own daughter.
He didn’t even know he had a son or daughter, so how’s he supposed to sense them? It’s possible he sensed something with Leia, but didn’t know what it was. As for Luke and Obi-Wan it could easily be argued that Ben was cloaking them in the force. Especially since Vader did begin to sense Kenobi’s presence, but only after he had finished disabling the tractor beam and was trying to lure Vader away from Luke and Leia escaping.
Wouldn’t their midichlorians be related too
Lol!
I recently rewatched the original trilogy for the first time in a long while and I forgot how underpowered Darth Vader is in those movies. My personal favourite show of his strength with the force is from
Tap for spoiler
The ending of Jedi Fallen Order [link]. His effortless flick without even thinking about it is so badass.
he is as strong as he needs to be for a compelling story. not sure who said something like that (maybe stan lee?). i dont know a single person who watched the original trilogy and did not see vader as a terrifying force.
yes, he did not show as much raw power as in some later media. but he left such an impression, that he still is one of the favourite antagonists now. in videogames, usually the player is served a power fantasy. so the antagonists also needs to up his power by a significant amount. otherwise he woud just be another goon.
I don’t disagree, and I was terrified of him as a child (but also loved him at the same time). But seeing modern media with him in it and then going back to his debut is a bit jarring. He’s still a badass but not quite as ridiculously overpowered as in other media.
I thought the same thing. There’s such a huge contrast between the boarding scenes linking up Rogue One and episode 4 in the original trilogy.
There was also a scene in the Obi Wan Kenobi series that I really liked and is very similar to your example: [link]
I haven’t seen the show but that scene is awesome.